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  •  Are there any spoilers rules? (5+ / 0-)

    It's fine either way. I just haven't read the books, and I'm kinda new to DKos and do not want to get spoiled (again).

    I'm actually avoiding reading the diary or comments while asking this, so apologies if it's written in 72 point bold font somewhere. I have found GoT fans to be generally more forgiving than the average bear when it comes to these such annoyances.

    •  Generally yes, but there have been exceptions. (2+ / 0-)
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      I think it's safe but...I have read the books and might not notice some bit that would irk someone who hadn't.

      "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

      by sceptical observer on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:55:32 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you (3+ / 0-)

        I must admit, I'm susceptible to having my feathers slightly ruffled by unnecessary spoilerish comments.

        Like, for example, when a reader simply cannot resist the urge to jump in and quash a debate as wrong or irrelevant. It's spoilerish because they're confirming that a plot line will not happen, and it's being a grinch because debating is half the fun.

        Anyway, this week's episode...

        I agree with people here and elsewhere about how little we learned in this week's episode, but I think there were some really interesting moments that I just can't dismiss as filler.

        -Sam's knife - When the guy on the screen reminds everyone of literally the specific moment when he acquired a mysterious item in the course of casually dismissing its significance to an unaware party, it usually never amounts to much of anything.

        -It makes me sad to see Arya becoming so angry. It seems like every episode, she grows more and more angry with the terrible world in which she lives. I worry about the path that she may take.

        -Theon's torturer had a strange moment (given the situation) following Theon's apparently correct guess about his location and the identity of his captor.

        He paused for a moment, and then said something to the effect of "Aha! You didn't ask if I was lying!", or something. It was like he was sad because he had to stop, and then as a result of some great epiphany, he was allowed to continue justifying the torture of his victim. It appeared to be a moment of true happiness. Cold shivers.

        Also, it doesn't seem completely impossible that the Kingslayer has shifted course toward something more noble.

        •  Good surmises. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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          "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

          by sceptical observer on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:48:17 PM PDT

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        •  Wasn't Arya always pretty angry? (4+ / 0-)

          I remember even as early as the trip down from Winterfell, once Joffrey got the butcher boy in trouble...  and probably even before that.

          Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

          by nominalize on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:36:40 PM PDT

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          •  That's true (3+ / 0-)
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            From the first time we met Arya, it seems she's struggled to make sense of things that were wrong, but that she could not change.

            It's interesting that you mention the butcher's boy because I think that's where her path began. Like two episodes ago, in the Hound's trial by battle, at one point she screamed out "Kill him!" That surprised me. I know that she hates the Hound, and I think I understand wishing death upon him for killing her friend. It's hard to speculate because I've never been there.

            But screaming "Kill him" in the heat of the fight taking place right in front of her seemed like more than just anger. To me, it felt like bloodlust.

    •  Though I've read the books (6+ / 0-)

      I try to never hint at something in the books that hasn't yet been on screen. I do talk about the difference between the books and show, but try not to explore how that may affect future episodes. No matter how hard that can be.

      •  I must disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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        lyvwyr101

        I'm sorry, but based just on this diary, I have to disagree. I think you're exploring future episodes more than you realize. Let me give examples.

        but we do take a moment to admire an obsidian blade. Ooo, shiny.
        This seems clearly intended to suggest the significance of Sam's knife. If I had to guess, you're winking to other people who have read the book - people who also got to enjoy an uncontaminated reveal.

        As to tallking about the differences between the books and the show, I think you reveal more than you're realizing. For instance, here:

        The result of this scene is that Littlefinger comes off a good deal harsher than in the book. A good deal less subtle. And Varys looks a good deal more vulnerable.
        Confined to this one particular scene, this doesn't tell much.

        The problem is that, although subtle differences have been noted between the books and show, the destinies of the characters remain unchanged.

        So, when you say "Varys looks a good deal more vulnerable," it implies that Varys' may prevail in future dealings where his future is uncertain. Normally that in itself wouldn't matter, but here's the catch - you have read the books and you know the future.

        Finally, this line:

        In this case, maybe that's not such a bad thing.
        Was that intended to be anything but a spoiler?
        •  Well... (5+ / 0-)

          When there's a scene in which the only thing that happens is we look at a knife, I think even the most casual observer is likely to get the point. (Pun intended)

          And when we've just seen that the woman Littlefinger was treating as his assistant was casually and cruelly discarded, it doesn't seem like a poor suggestion that Sansa is better off keeping her distance.

          Not sharing spoilers doesn't require that I treat the scenes as if they didn't happen.

          •  And remember what Chekhov said. (1+ / 0-)
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            "If you have a gun onstage in Act I, it must be fired before the end of Act III." So in that sense, it's hardly a spoiler to assume that the shiny black knife the camera lingers over will eventually be used to stab someone.

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