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  •  My "assumptions" are based on the link (0+ / 0-)

    you provided, namely, the Hong Kong public housing website - where there turned out to be all kinds of shades of gray in what is meant by "public housing" - you provide information and then dis me for using it? Strange!!

    Anyways, what else I am supposed to do?  Just blindly accept a black and white scenario as painted in the headline w/o attempting to make sense out of it?

    In any event, that's not a major point because whatever they're doing, they're clearly not doing enough to make much of an impact on income equality.

    In fact from the Wikipedia page giving the GINI index rankings, sorting on the World Bank ratings puts Hong Kong near the bottom of the list of most inequitable societies (getting worse going down):

     
    (many countries omitted)
    Suriname
    Belize  
    Hong Kong
     Zambia  
     Brazil
     Colombia  
     Guatemala  
     Bolivia
     Central African Republic
     Honduras
     Angola  
     Haiti
     Botswana
     South Africa  
     Namibia
     Comoros
     Seychelles

    Really, Brazil is the only other country close to first world status in the neighborhood of where Hong Kong ranks.

    I suspect that this is the type of thing that conservatives value when compiling their "free economy" lists - i.e., the ability for the wealthy to pad their pockets at every else's expense.  

    Hong Kong is still doing very well in that regard, thank you very much.

    •  heh (5+ / 0-)
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      I wasn't trying to diss you, sorry if it came off that way :)

      I'm not suggesting you "blindly accept" the BBC-mentioned data, part of citing a reputable source is that it makes it not "blind" (and their story is rather well-cited with Hong Kong sources too).  It's fair to question the number of course though, as you wish.

      The inequality is a major issue there. It seems the rich don't mind to be super rich and fund a large public housing scheme for the working class. Which is actually a somewhat progressive compromise to what right-wingers seem to propose, which is imprison the poor and leave them on the streets helpless and without healthcare :P

      Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

      by aguadito on Tue May 07, 2013 at 06:59:18 AM PDT

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      •  In all fairness, that GINI data (1+ / 0-)
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        doesn't really reflect HK's recent attempts (e.g., the minimum wage thing you document and the more recent increase in dockworker's pay) that you mention.

        I'll be interested to see a couple years down the road when the data comes in if this has had a measurable effect or not.  I'm skeptical but I suppose it is possible.

    •  I'm wondering if some of your (1+ / 0-)
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      "shades of gray" about "public housing" stem, not from the data provided, but from culturally specific assumptions about what constitutes "public", based on the very slim and narrow US model?

      Just a thought.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Tue May 07, 2013 at 08:32:19 AM PDT

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