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  •  If it's so gol-darn secret (4+ / 0-)

    that you can't even discuss why it's secret in open court, then maybe your case shouldn't be depending on it.

    What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

    by happymisanthropy on Tue May 07, 2013 at 10:51:39 AM PDT

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    •  Then there can't be prosecutions. (2+ / 0-)
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      sebastianguy99, erush1345

      Of course, that's the goal of the defense and bully for them, but it's no basis for public policy.

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:23:15 AM PDT

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      •  he's (3+ / 0-)
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        ALREADY PLEADED GUILTY to those charges which are not clearly bullshit, so your comment is nonsense.

        What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

        by happymisanthropy on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:26:20 AM PDT

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      •  Discussing why it's secret (0+ / 0-)

        and the secret itself are two different things.

        I used to run a top secret+ detachment for the AF during Vietnam and even the Bird Colonel base commander (or DCO for that matter) couldn't just walk in when he felt like it, and I was just an 0-3 Detachment Commander.  But I could explain to him why he couldn't, and really didn't want to know what I knew, once he understood that....I was a different command, a  tenant on his base, and if he was smart he would just go away and leave us alone....which he did....

        So his responsibility was to know that we had secrets.. the secrets we had were not his to know....need to know, "special" weapons and all that. Win-Win

        Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

        by blindcynic on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:07:46 PM PDT

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    •  or maybe that fool manning should never have (2+ / 0-)
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      dumped hundreds of thousands of unscreened data in the first place.

      the entire gist of this trial is that manning released classified information - but you think the public should see all that information to determine whether or not it should have been classified so the public can now determine whether or not to keep it from public view?  (convoluted much?)

      really - the ct on this issue is beyond the pale.

      and raddack is leading the pack in this nonsense.

      why am i not surprised...

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 12:32:53 PM PDT

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    •  read the linked article's reasoning... (0+ / 0-)
      Lind's decision to hold the practice run out of public view has drawn mixed reactions from national security and legal experts. Air Force Reserve Lt. Col. David Frakt, who teaches at the University of Pittsburgh law school, called it a "great idea" for minimizing disruptions such as those at U.S. military commissions' cases involving terrorism detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Frakt defended Guantanamo detainees Mohammed Jawad and Ali Hamza al Bahlul in 2008 and 2009.
      "The judge wants the trial, when it happens, to go smoothly, and the last thing you want is some inadvertent disclosure," Frakt said.
      "What they don't want to do is to have a yo-yo effect—let the public in, send the public out, let the press in, send the press out," he said. "We have had that kind of circus atmosphere at Guantanamo, and it just looks very bad."

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      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:25:15 PM PDT

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      •  There's a reason why trials (0+ / 0-)

        are open by default: witnesses are more likely to tell the truth, for one thing.

        Also it's harder for the prosecution to hide exculpatory evidence.

        Hell, just read Chapter 2 of James Russel Wiggins, Freedom or Secrecy (1964).  

        What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

        by happymisanthropy on Tue May 07, 2013 at 05:14:39 PM PDT

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