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  •  Question for you edrie: (3+ / 0-)
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    BradyB, Aunt Martha, CIndyCasella

    Do you ever read your sig line?  Maybe you should and not just read it but put it into practice.  It IS possible to disagree without being vicious.  Just sayin'.

    "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

    by 3goldens on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:11:31 PM PDT

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    •  stating facts is not "vicious" - in my world, it (5+ / 0-)

      is called truth.

      i have little tolerance for those who abuse truth.  have YOU read all of her diaries?  how many do not circle back to jesselyn and her experience in the lindh case?  almost every single diary  returns to that issue (or the "whistleblower" issue which she promotes based on her own questionable behavior).

      i don't see my comment as "vicious" - believe me, if you wanted to see "vicious", i could provide it - but i don't and won't.  my comments are harsh because of the tone of her diaries, her misrepresentation and distortion of facts in this situation and others, her determination to excuse any behavior by anyone in an attempt (imho) to excuse her own lack of judgement and ethical responsibilities as a lawyer.

      ms raddack comes here almost daily with the same theme: government is bad, government can't be trusted because she says so.

      her diaries are an insult to the intelligence of the readers who disagree with her premises.  

      when i find her posts disingenuous and deceptive is my opinion - and i'll continue to express that opinon and welcome people to disgree on the facts presented both by her and by me.

      and, trust me when i say, my posts may be harsh, but they are far from "vicious".  you don't want to SEE me post vicious - and, quite frankly, neither do i.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:36:22 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for admitting that it's all about (4+ / 0-)

        the diarist.  You're not disagreeing with the content of the diary, you're just simply engaging in personal attacks.

        •  i am disagreeing with the conspiracies ths diarist (2+ / 0-)

          keeps pushing.  and, your hr to someone with whom you are engaging in discussion is against site rules.  again, reported.

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:43:03 PM PDT

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          •  Actually, you're attacking the diarist, (6+ / 0-)

            you have provided exactly zero evidence that she is engaging in conspiracies, you have provided no reason other than personal ones about the diarist to explain your comments about this diary, and I HRed you and then explained why I did so.  Again, it's excellent that you reported me so that your personal attacks against the diarist can be more widely seen.

            •  perhaps you are unable to read what i continually (3+ / 0-)

              am saying:

              let me say it more clearly for you

              i object to misleading misrepresentations of fact.
              i object to manipulation of the facts to try to support previous questionable behavior of the poster.
              i object to using this site as a bully pulpit for distorting issues based on bias.
              i object to generalizations that would lead to questionable conclusions that are inaccurate based on facts.
              i object to the continual attempts to group every lawbreaker as a whistleblower

              disclaimer: someone i highly respect and call friend is a government whistleblower and was totally correct in his actions.  raddack's attempts to whitewash her own unethical behavior are an insult to those who act in good faith to correct situations within the government. raddack's actions (going to the press without full knowledge of the situation in which she intruded herself) have been used to promote her book, her popularity and her own agenda.  it is this that i find extremely troubling.

              it is for this reason that i will challenge her premises when appropriate - and, in this situation (as others she has posted) i have challenged her veracity.  she is now a "public figure" - if she can't take the heat, she should leave the kitchen.  

              it is sad and somewhat pathetic that she would need the "defense" of bloggers instead of returning and addressing these questions directly.  she has never once responded to any objection i have made to her posts.  nor does she respond to other critics.  why not?

              at least, sirota would stand up and defend his position - for that, i give him credit.  raddack does these hit and run diaries then waits for others to "get her back".  

              i have absolutely NO respect for her in regard to her assertations that all government is bad (did she think so BEFORE she took that government job and was dismissed or did this opinion come afterward? - this is a valid question, imho.)

              many posters here have taken apart her statements over and over again - yet, there are a very few who also hold the "all government is bad" philosophy who vigorously and blindly defend that premise and her.  that is really a pity.

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:12:45 PM PDT

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        •  Dear Aunt Martha, (4+ / 0-)

          please do read what's actually written there, not what you think it says or want it to say.

          Edrie is not engaging in personal attacks; she is expressing an opinion on the quality of the writing being put forth as "truth."

          I realize that critical reading is not much done anymore, but try it for a time; it will open your mind and you'll learn from it.

          There is no question that there is an unseen world. The problem is, how far is it from Midtown and how late is it open? -- Woody Allen

          by Mnemosyne on Tue May 07, 2013 at 04:14:05 PM PDT

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    •  edrie's comments are (3+ / 0-)

      pretty much spot on in her assessment of that diarist's writing qualities.

      Radack isn't a particularly good writer, which applies to a great many people on the intertoobz. Just because you get to put your words into print does not make you a journalist.

      Inaccuracies, slanted writing, bias -- those are not journalism. And I recognize that many, perhaps most, people reading here have no idea what real reporting is, given that it is notable for its absence in American discourse of late.

      There is no question that there is an unseen world. The problem is, how far is it from Midtown and how late is it open? -- Woody Allen

      by Mnemosyne on Tue May 07, 2013 at 04:11:23 PM PDT

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      •  i had the great honor to work at cbs radio network (4+ / 0-)

        news - to work with the tv group, too - to work as crew on the macneil/leher newshour.

        i had the GREAT privilege to sit beside douglas edwards, sing our school song together with charles kuralt, arrange an interview with nureyev for reid collins, ALMOST become walter cronkite's personal assistant when he retired (but he wanted someone who could commit more than two years), to do research for special events, to sit with the editors and writers in that newsroom.

        i was the "stringer" (unpaid) reporting on the drunk who drove through the st paddy's parade in ny, stopped rather from saying that jim brady had died when all the other networks reported prematurely on his "death".

        i take "news" and "journalism" very seriously because i've seen it.  as a tem administrative assistant with cbs, i also had to read and sign the standards and practices manual - and, over the years, got to work in that newsroom for multiple vps, directors, etc.

        i love the news and i love the INTEGRITY of reporting.  that is why i give raddack hell for her lack of objectivity masked as "reporting".  make it an opinion piece and leave it at that - i'll still challenge the premise... just as i gave sirota hell for his misrepresentation of situations like the video ambushing and excoriation of dave obey in the halls of congress by tina whosywhatsit.

        truth is all we have to preserve a free society.  truth can be backed up with facts from multiple sources, tripled checked and verified and reported without coloration.

        that is why i don't remain silent.

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 04:26:08 PM PDT

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