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  •  When people in the military are talking (2+ / 0-)
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    about it then it's a problem. Whether or not their conspiracy theories are true the fact of the matter is that the military is highly infiltrated by right-wing religious wing nuts. That's a serious fucking problem, really serious. And folks like you just poo-poo it as being conspiracy theory. These people are itching for a fight and they'll take whatever excuse they can get at this point.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:11:15 AM PDT

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    •  No, sorry, if you believe that then you should be (3+ / 0-)
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      ... watching Glenn Beck. Members of the military are not going to take up organized, armed resistance to the federal government.

      They're not.

      Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

      by Bob Johnson on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:27:58 AM PDT

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      •  You clearly don't understand (2+ / 0-)
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        These are people who listen to Beck. They are explicit about opposing the government in certain cases. They have been infiltrating the military for years. Why do you think that the report on domestic terrorism all those years ago had a section on ex-military people? Because the right recruits in the military. It's enough of a problem that the military took action on the issue.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:40:03 AM PDT

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        •  EX military (4+ / 0-)

          There's a reason why the EX is there.

          They can't take orders or cooperate as part of a team. They also tend to be racists, and cant deal when they have to take orders from somebody who they dont think should be giving them.

          If they could, they wouldn't be EX Military.

          •  Go read the link (1+ / 0-)
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            active military. The report warned of ex-military because they are the ones most likely to commit acts of terrorism in country. There are wingers in the military to recruit them as well as influence the military itself.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:47:04 AM PDT

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        •  So what? (6+ / 0-)

          There have been crazy militia movements in this country forever. What the NRA and people like Beck try to do is tie these lunatic movements to gun legislation. These idiots are out there, regardless, as we are witnessing in Minnesota. As we witnessed with Tim McVeigh.

          To tie the issue to efforts to put limits on guns is the issue, not whether lunatic fringe militia movements exist. The other diarist suggested, based on his claimed experience, that members of the military might form organized resistance groups to the federal government based on efforts to curb guns.

          Pure, unadulterated bullshit. NRA fear-mongering nonsense.

          "Oh, don't talk about limiting guns or the military may turn on the government!"

          Do you believe that? Seriously?

          Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

          by Bob Johnson on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:45:34 AM PDT

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          •  Oh, sorry, I meant an outright ban (4+ / 0-)

            or forcing the military to enforce gun laws. The idea that the military would somehow rise up if assault weapons were banned or universal background checks were instituted is absolutely idiotic.

            I hadn't read the diary so I wasn't clear on what the trigger was suppose to be. I mean, we know the military won't rise up if there's an assault weapon ban. We've had that before and it's never happened.

            I'm just tired of seeing people dismiss the infiltration of the military by the cristianists/wingers as not important. It's a serious issue and like every other case of right wing violence it's being glossed over.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Tue May 07, 2013 at 12:05:13 PM PDT

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            •  That's been a problem with this diary (1+ / 0-)
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              It's long, it slooowly builds up its thesis. I am in a minority that is not reading it as a proposition that any in the military would rise up if there were stricter gun regulations. Diarist specifically deals with the many states that are passing (or attempting to pass) nullification legislation, leading to discussion of the potential that at least some in the military would balk if asked to enforce federal regulations in states that did have nullification of gun regulations.  As I take it, the whole focus on gun rights is his perception that military members might not be exactly happy if the difference between feds and states was something like the ACA, but if it was related to the 2nd amendment then many would not be joining the "union" army.  
              As I also expressed in some other comments, I read this diary after reading the highly recced one about the lead up to the Civil War -there seemed to me to be some parallels there.

              “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

              by Catte Nappe on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:33:59 PM PDT

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