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  •  Civilians are afraid to intervene in the military? (0+ / 0-)

    Since when?

    Bush fired two Joint Chiefs.
    Obama has fired two Generals.

    I don't think you are paying attention to the world as it is.

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    by dinotrac on Tue May 07, 2013 at 10:30:55 AM PDT

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    •  Gentle Giant commenting just above (1+ / 0-)
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      describes the "world as it is" within the military and with respect to civilian oversight pretty accurately.

      I'd add that your commentary throughout this thread suggests that you have little perspective on how huge and epidemic this problem is.  Firing a general or two isn't going to come even remotely close to solving it.

      •  Goodness gracious. Sorry, but it's very hard to (0+ / 0-)

        write everything like this:

        Fired a couple of generals, and if I had the time, I'll be we found some other interventions as well, but, gee, given the original assertion is that the civilian overseers are afraid to intervene (like Harry Truman was afraid of MacAurther) the fact that civilian overseers have not hesitated to knock top generals out of their posts does not comport with an assertion of fearfulness. While we're at it -- if civilian overseers wish to impress their seriousness about this issue on the military, all they really need to do is make sure the Joint Chiefs know their asses are on the line if something isn't done.  The military is actually pretty good at making change when it realizes that change is required.  For example, while the military hasn't exactly solved the problem of race relations, it got out way ahead of the civilian world.  It was training and promoting minorities to positions of responsibility when the civilian world was still claiming that qualified applicants couldn't be found. And that'st he kind of thing I'm talking about: the civilian oversight can and does make an impression on the military -- WHEN IT CARES TO.

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        by dinotrac on Tue May 07, 2013 at 10:56:32 AM PDT

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        •  The military is actually pretty good about (1+ / 0-)
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          making change when it realizes that change is required**

          **Tailhook Scandal

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          We are still waiting.

          I think that 20 years is a pretty generous grace period.

          •  **cough** Secret Service hookers **cough** (0+ / 0-)

            Yeah. The military has a ways to go. Sticks out like a sore thumb given that civilian society has completely solved the problem.

            *cough* Eliot Spitzer *cough
            **cough
            * Jerry Sandusky *cough
            **cough
            * Mark Hurd *cough
            **cough
            Jennifer Vigilcough*

            I feel compelled to tell you that there are more names because I just know you'll say that 5 people is hardly very many.

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            by dinotrac on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:15:54 AM PDT

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