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  •  Anyone else bothered by "real hero is Amanda" quot (2+ / 0-)
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    It was from Cleveland's assistant police chief. I feel like I heard it on the news several times today, and it took me a while to put my finger on why it bugged me. I don't at all doubt that it took courage for Amanda to try to escape, but it struck me as an effort to deflect attention from Ramsey.

    I think they can both be heroes, and wonder if the police department would be more inclined to praise Ramsey if he fit their model of a hero more.

    Maybe I'm missing context and reading too much into it, but it really struck me that way.

    •  because she never gave up (8+ / 0-)

      she lived in that hell for 10 freakin' years, yet she was trying to get out.  and she led the police to the other captives...she could have just taken off to safety but she stayed, called 911, and insisted that the cops come and save the others.

      it doesn't either one to point out their heroism, thank god ramsey was there to hear her screaming.

    •  actually, i took it to mean that he was being (2+ / 0-)
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      science nerd, white blitz

      careful not to take credit on behalf of the police ...

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Tue May 07, 2013 at 07:28:02 PM PDT

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    •  I thought the same thing (0+ / 0-)
    •  Amanda is a real hero (6+ / 0-)

      and that will probably become more apparent in the days and weeks ahead.  Media reports so far have said she was the strongest of the 3 captives who took care of others as she could and never lost the courage and drive to get out.  Interviews with her friends, family, teachers, etc. all insist she was a very smart, exceptional, courageous girl before her kidnapping.  Those attributes no doubt helped her survive this horrific experience.

      "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being up there."

      by Betty Pinson on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:19:15 PM PDT

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      •  Totally agree that Amanda is the hero as well as (3+ / 0-)
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        LSophia, True North, Batya the Toon

        the other two women, one of whom delivered and saved Amanda's baby's life...after enduring five pregnancies (aborted by beatings) of her own.

        I cannot imagine the horror or the life this child must have endured for the first six years of her life.  When escaped, the child was in diapers.  A six year old!

        •  possibly due to incarceration conditions (0+ / 0-)

          A house with an undeveloped basement, four bedrooms, an attic, and one bathroom.

          Apparently, the women were not confined in the same room although they knew each other.

          They were chained or tied up. How long at a time? Hours? What about the little one?

          In that situation, I'm guessing that none of them had free access to the bathroom, which would be an especially difficult situation for the little girl.

          •  Tough way to start life. The women did their best (0+ / 0-)

            for themselves and the little girl under the circumstances.

            Honoring all of them and faulting only the brute that held them captive and treated them viciously.

            I heard there was Cleaveland Courage Fund now for these victims.  I'll try to find out more.

    •  "model of a hero" (1+ / 0-)
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      mygreekamphora

      The trouble here is that pointing to either one of them as the "real hero" is erasure of the other.

      And one's a woman, and the other's a black man.  Neither fits the classic model of a hero.

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