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  •  Tipped for a much improved diary (2+ / 0-)
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    FG, gerrilea

    I think this is a much fairer representation, and I especially appreciate the explanation of the TBS presentation.

    However, on that point, I would point something out:  slavery is, in fact, in the constitution. As much as I might disagree with the Declaration of Secession by SC, I cannot deny that at least some of the points in that document were true - for example, the northern states were not enforcing the fugitive slave act, and the federal government wasn't doing anything about it.

    As such, by your logic, a case may be made that Southern officers at the time were acting to defend the constitution when the resigned and took up arms for the Confederacy.

    As repugnant, treasonous and wrong as those officers were, so too would any member of the military be who resigned and took up arms against the government for a perceived threat against the 2nd amendment.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:12:11 PM PDT

    •  "Slavery" as a word is in the Constitution (2+ / 0-)
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      FogCityJohn, Glen The Plumber

      and Slavery as a concept is banned within the Constitution as well, but I think you knew that.

      So as the question was put to the Basic School students, slavery was banned.

      •  ? I said at the time (0+ / 0-)

        Of course the students at TBS would not support slavery.

        My point is that, when the southern states seceded back in 1860, slavery was in fact constitutional.  In fact, under Article 4, Section 2, we have

         "No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."

        As I said, at the time, a legitimate case may be made that the northern states were violating this clause, and the federal government was not doing anything about it.  Hence, by the diarist's logic, southern officers at the time had a legitimate cause to resign and take up arms against the government in defense of the constitution.

        In my opinion, their actions were treasonous and reprehensible. As would be the same actions by any military members today if they did the same in defense of the 2nd amendment.

        Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

        by absdoggy on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:17:35 PM PDT

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