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  •  Right-Wing proaganda-no Anti-Echo Chamber-yes (6+ / 0-)

    I get it....folks have a lot invested in the anti-gun argument and/or passionate about it...but just because someone disagrees and puts forth an argument doesn’t mean it's Right-Wing propaganda...and they should be called names and banned

    •  It is right wing propaganda. (12+ / 0-)

      And it's bullshit.

      Members of the U.S. military are not going to form an organized insurrection against the federal government.

      They're not.

      And not over restrictions on guns.

      And this diarist has zero to back up his claims that it even might happen.

      This is total bullshit lunatic fringe nonsense.

      Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

      by Bob Johnson on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:40:53 PM PDT

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      •  You don't know that... (5+ / 0-)

        You're just hoping it doesn't happen....as like any rational person...but to say it'll never happen...pfffttt....

        I suspect a lot of folks here who are claiming what the military and their members might or might not do are speculating and have never served...

        When I was in, 1.) The people were very conservative 2.) Rush Limbaugh was like a God 3.) For the most part they hated Liberals with a passion....especially those that served in Vietnam...

        Hell, you even have a guy talking about taking a 1000+ armed individuals and doing a march on Washington...the guy leading them is a Ex-Combat Marine Veteran...

        D.H.S. has put out whitepapers to their offices suggesting that Vets coming home were a threat...

        If it does happen, you don't know what the tipping point may be, it could be the 2nd Ammendment, it could be the inclusion of LBGT in the military, it could be taking the ability to speak about Christianity away, it could be a group wants Charmin in the latrine...

        There's a lot of crud being circulated out there now....it could all be crap or it could be something to it...

        One thing is for sure, neither you or I know what's going to happen in the future....

        •  "I'm not saying it will happen, but..." (8+ / 0-)

          That an old, tried-and-true Glenn Beck technique. It's bullshit.

          Show me one assessment from any credible source that states that there is even a remote possibility of organized military insurrection in this country over guns or any other topic.

          It's speculative, right wing scare-tactic bullshit.

          And if you believe it, you're as dumb as your buddy here.

          Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

          by Bob Johnson on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:01:55 PM PDT

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          •  Apparently the D.H.S. was concerned enough to put (3+ / 0-)
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            vets in this report about right-wing extremism....the military is a hot bed for recruiting for these types of groups

            http://www.fas.org/...

            One of the things mentioned in this report was Guns/2nd Ammendment

            But I guess the D.H.S. Intelligence is just right-wing scare tactic bullshit....right

          •  Bob Johnson: based on my gut, which is what you've (2+ / 0-)
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            got to back up your claims, I'd've said the officer responsible for running the anti-sexual-assault policy for the entire United States Air Force would never wind up busted for attempted rape.

            Just sayin'.

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Tue May 07, 2013 at 06:35:31 PM PDT

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        •  Interesting, I didn't notice any "warning" diaries (7+ / 0-)

          about the consequences of "the inclusion of the LBGT in the military".

          I wonder why?

          "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

          by ranger995 on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:05:02 PM PDT

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        •  Peppered in for comic effect? (1+ / 0-)
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          If it does happen, you don't know what the tipping point may be, ..., it could be a group wants Charmin in the latrine...
          Since when has it become fashionable to wholesale insult members of the armed forces.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:12:41 PM PDT

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          •  The point was...no one knows (2+ / 0-)
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            what will set a group off, no matter whether it's legitimate or insane....to take the comment as an insult is a stretch beyond reality...

          •  LilithGardener: same time it became fashionable (4+ / 0-)

            to put down soldiers as mercs, nothing more, nothing less. Happens every day here on Daily Kos.

            same time it became fashionable to pick out the parts of the Constitution you like and call them important, while the ones you don't like are archaic bullshit. Happens every day here on Daily Kos.

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Tue May 07, 2013 at 06:37:28 PM PDT

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            •  Some parts of the constitution (3+ / 0-)
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              Are archaic bullshit.

            •  BlackSheep1 (3+ / 0-)

              Article V of the Constitution provides the means for changing it. The forefathers of the nation understood that things change with time and that some of the laws they wrote would become archaic with time. We might agree or disagree on what is archaic or not but that's O.K. As a matter of fact the Constitution has been amended 27 timesand the Constitution had to be amended before it was ratified. Some, enough, thought it was inadequate even before we got started. It happens here and in many other places, but discussing the Constitution is actually a very healthy exercise rather than "bullshit". It is a sign of a vibrant democracy.

              "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

              by basquebob on Wed May 08, 2013 at 12:20:48 AM PDT

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              •  Yeah, basquebob, that's my point: amend it (2+ / 0-)
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                if you have the gumption and the backing.
                Then when that amendment fails spectacularly, undo it. See Prohibition for an example.
                Don't throw out an administrative go-around and then spend 40 or 50 years locking people up over it. Make the law consistent with the Constitution, or figure out the Constitution trumps your interpretation of it. See Roe V. Wade and The War on Drugs as examples.

                LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

                by BlackSheep1 on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:57:34 AM PDT

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                •  So having this conversation (1+ / 0-)
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                  is not "bullshit", right?

                  You have to start somewhere.

                  "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

                  by basquebob on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:21:22 AM PDT

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                  •  go look what I've been saying (1+ / 0-)
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                    since about the day after Newtown, IIRC.

                    You want to ban guns? Amend the Constitution so you can.
                    Otherwise ... Hi, Prometheus, how's tricks today?

                    LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

                    by BlackSheep1 on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:22:55 AM PDT

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                    •  BlackSheep1 (1+ / 0-)
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                      I was just responding to the comment above, nothing more, nothing less.

                      As for amending the constitution in this case, particularly as it pertains to the second amendment, reasonable arguments can be made and have been made as far as the necessity to amend the Constitution or not in order to have reasonable gun laws. This issue has already been brought to the highest courts and the courts have ruled that reasonable limits can be imposed, no need for a Constitutional amendment. That is simply a fact.

                      This argument is not about the Constitution, some just want to deflect and distract. This argument is about reasonable gun laws.

                      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

                      by basquebob on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:27:39 AM PDT

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      •  More specifically it's Oathkeeper propaganda. (1+ / 0-)
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        Just read up on The Oathkeepers, and then ask yourself why a liberal site should remotely entertain these lunatics.  

        The tent got so big it now stands for nothing.

        by Beelzebud on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:27:01 AM PDT

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    •  This asshole is banned. (1+ / 0-)
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      So, yes, it was right wing propaganda.

      Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

      by Bob Johnson on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:06:57 PM PDT

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