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  •  LilithGardener: same time it became fashionable (4+ / 0-)

    to put down soldiers as mercs, nothing more, nothing less. Happens every day here on Daily Kos.

    same time it became fashionable to pick out the parts of the Constitution you like and call them important, while the ones you don't like are archaic bullshit. Happens every day here on Daily Kos.

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Tue May 07, 2013 at 06:37:28 PM PDT

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    •  Some parts of the constitution (3+ / 0-)
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      Are archaic bullshit.

    •  BlackSheep1 (3+ / 0-)

      Article V of the Constitution provides the means for changing it. The forefathers of the nation understood that things change with time and that some of the laws they wrote would become archaic with time. We might agree or disagree on what is archaic or not but that's O.K. As a matter of fact the Constitution has been amended 27 timesand the Constitution had to be amended before it was ratified. Some, enough, thought it was inadequate even before we got started. It happens here and in many other places, but discussing the Constitution is actually a very healthy exercise rather than "bullshit". It is a sign of a vibrant democracy.

      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

      by basquebob on Wed May 08, 2013 at 12:20:48 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, basquebob, that's my point: amend it (2+ / 0-)
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        if you have the gumption and the backing.
        Then when that amendment fails spectacularly, undo it. See Prohibition for an example.
        Don't throw out an administrative go-around and then spend 40 or 50 years locking people up over it. Make the law consistent with the Constitution, or figure out the Constitution trumps your interpretation of it. See Roe V. Wade and The War on Drugs as examples.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:57:34 AM PDT

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        •  So having this conversation (1+ / 0-)
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          is not "bullshit", right?

          You have to start somewhere.

          "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

          by basquebob on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:21:22 AM PDT

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          •  go look what I've been saying (1+ / 0-)
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            since about the day after Newtown, IIRC.

            You want to ban guns? Amend the Constitution so you can.
            Otherwise ... Hi, Prometheus, how's tricks today?

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:22:55 AM PDT

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            •  BlackSheep1 (1+ / 0-)
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              I was just responding to the comment above, nothing more, nothing less.

              As for amending the constitution in this case, particularly as it pertains to the second amendment, reasonable arguments can be made and have been made as far as the necessity to amend the Constitution or not in order to have reasonable gun laws. This issue has already been brought to the highest courts and the courts have ruled that reasonable limits can be imposed, no need for a Constitutional amendment. That is simply a fact.

              This argument is not about the Constitution, some just want to deflect and distract. This argument is about reasonable gun laws.

              "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

              by basquebob on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:27:39 AM PDT

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