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  •  US policy is determined by US actions, (2+ / 0-)
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    not by signing on (or refusing to sign on) to statements.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:13:35 AM PDT

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    •  Indeed (0+ / 0-)

      And the evidence is pretty slim that US actions over the last 10 years have been consistent with the plan outlined in that statement. I'm not claiming it hasn't happened, only that when the strongest evidence is a more than 15 year old document that few, if any, in the current administration have publicly adopted, it doesn't lend much strength to the argument.

      •  And yet we're following the plans (1+ / 0-)
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        more or less to the letter, if more slowly than their authors may have wished.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:43:09 AM PDT

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        •  Not really (0+ / 0-)

          The "plan" for Syria was rather vague. Much of it was based on external conditions which no longer exist. Trying to squeeze anything from that document into what's actually happened over the last 2 years is a stretch.

          •  The "external conditions" were an excuse. (1+ / 0-)
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            Or an alibi, if you prefer more polite language.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Wed May 08, 2013 at 09:07:44 AM PDT

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            •  Except (0+ / 0-)

              they were part and parcel to that clean break plan. Throw them out and there is no plan. So what we have today in Syria has almost no similarities with that 17 year old document.

              •  The plan (1+ / 0-)
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                is regional domination and control of resources by the right people.

                That's it.  Everything else is for the gullible or self-deluded, including all of that pious (if not mendacious) nonsense about democracy.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Wed May 08, 2013 at 09:22:01 AM PDT

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          •  "rolling back" is somewhat vague (0+ / 0-)

            intentionally so no doubt. The paper also said it should be done using proxy forces. That is exactly what is happening.

            Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

            by truong son traveler on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:08:24 AM PDT

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