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  •  Well, try googling "toilet bowel cleaner bomb" (4+ / 0-)
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    It's pretty clear what her objective was.  It's also pretty clear someone can get hurt doing it  (even high school chemistry students know that spraying hydrochloric acid around is not a great plan).

    Nothing wrong with experimenting.  I blew some stuff up myself.  But if I had done it on school property I would have known that some serious discipline was in store if I was caught.

    But the criminal charges are absurd.

    •  I believe her because I did it in my own basement (3+ / 0-)
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      Like her, I did it safely enough not to get hurt, or to hurt anyone else, but was pretty surprised that it worked as, umm, vigorously as it did.

      Some discipline? Sure. If you don't know what will happen, there's a problem with trying it on school grounds. But I think you may be reading into her "objective" something that really wasn't there.

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      by HudsonValleyMark on Fri May 10, 2013 at 08:52:00 AM PDT

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    •  A colonic seems easier (2+ / 0-)
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      then using a "bowel cleaner" bomb :-)

    •  Ginormous double standard ya got there. (5+ / 0-)

      You admit doing similar things yourself, give yourself a free pass, yet condemn this girl.

      All on the completely spurious grounds that things happened on school property.

      Kids' curiosity doesn't end at the school curb.

      It's pretty clear what her objective was.  
      No, that's you assuming she had an evil motivation.

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      by nosleep4u on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:18:55 AM PDT

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      •  Wow, even when I was a kid we knew the difference (2+ / 0-)
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        between goofing off in the backyard making homemade explosives and doing it on the school grounds.  I hope you don't teach your kids that this is a "spurious distinction."

        And when did I say it was evil ????!!!  Her objective was to make a toilet bowl cleaner bomb.  It's hard to dispute that.  A stupid and possibly dangerous thing to do at school?  Yes, definitely.  But I make no moral judgement as to whether it was "evil".

        that's you assuming she had an evil motivation.
        This is the kind of flying leap into the vacuum of space that makes the comments here so amusing at times.
        •  Read the article (0+ / 0-)

          Read the article. Her goal was clearly not to make a "bomb" because she used a tiny bottle, which indicates that she was performing a small scale experiment, not trying to blow anything up, and the "explosion" was that the reaction released enough gas to pop the top of the bottle off. Nothing exploded.

          If that's a bomb, Eepy Bird (http://www.eepybird.com/) are terrorists!

          Yes, doing stuff on school grounds is stupid, so she should get yelled at. As others have proposed, making her do a report on the experiment would at least teach her something.

          Arresting her and branding her as a criminal, on the other hand, is just the administration being lazy cowards, and then getting defensive and doubling down on their over-reaction with some legalistic handwaving.

          If they had any brains at all, they would apologize and fix this before the city has to waste time and resources taking this moronic cast to trial.

          •  OK, I read it. (0+ / 0-)

            Where does it say the bottle was "tiny"?  It doesn't.
            Where does it say what kind of chemicals were used?  It doesn't.  Answer: hydrochloric acid and aluminum
            Where do you get those chemicals?  Well, the hydrochloric acid is in toilet bowl cleaner.  Ever read the warning label on one of those bottles?

            Google these five words together: toilet bowl cleaner aluminum foil

            My search returns about 65,000 results.
            The top 5 results are titled:
            "Toilet Bowl Cleaner & Aluminum Foil Bomb :D - YouTube"
            "Toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil explosion - YouTube"
            "How to Make a Hydrogen Fireball from Aluminum Foil and Toilet ..."
            "What makes aluminum foil and toilet bowl cleaner blow up"
            "How to make an aluminum foil toilet bowl cleaner explosion"

            Still think she didn't know what to expect???

            The selective and false presentation of the facts by the diarist and some of the commenters troubles me.

            I agree the consequences were grossly excessive.  No disagreement there.  Knowing what I know of the way kids are disciplined in 2013 (I have sons who are teenagers) I can say that what she did would almost certainly be grounds for suspension, probably for 3-5 days.  Maybe worse.  Expulsion seems excessive.  Criminal prosecution is insane.

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