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  •  Rape should never be considered (10+ / 0-)

    an acceptable part of punishment for any crime.

    Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at Texas Kaos.

    by boadicea on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:45:31 PM PDT

    •  Rapes and beatdowns and racial segregation (8+ / 0-)

      are considered useful tools by prison administrators.

      Prison administrators who want to take a juvenile, a young person who doesn't want to go to church, stay in school and become a well shaped cog in the machinery so they can spend the rest of their life working at Micky D's if they are lucky, a rebellious youth who refuses to avoid bad companions, drinking, and smoking pot, any fool who gets busted for that, and expose them to the same environment we have vengefully designed to torture pedophiles, murderers, gangsters and career criminals so they will be scared straight and be easier to control need to be incarcerated themselves.

      Unfortunately as things stand now all the Sheriff Joes have a gun fail, law and order, segment of our culture in support. A right wing gun nut hardcore that believes if you know breaking and entering their home will get you shot with an assault rifle and further know going to prison has terrible consequences you will join their consensus to be law abiding and not become an outlaw.

      Many people are so frightened of gangs doing car jackings, home invasions, and other violent crimes that they accept it as true that if you know you can't do the time you won't do the crime, and if you know you will be racially segregated, raped, beaten and abused in prison you will avoid going there. In actuality brutality breeds brutality in much the same way bombing a Pakistani wedding with drones creates terrorists.

      To reinforce this we seem to have created as a sort of common law institutional reinforcements that when "outlaws" are imprisoned they are denied all the protections of law abiding society.

      Ordinary citizens routinely vote for harsher punishments to include multiple years of incarceration rather than sensible corrections such as counseling and substance abuse programs and the result is that when released you have an individual full of rage looking for payback. That needs to be changed.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri May 10, 2013 at 04:29:09 AM PDT

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      •  The similarities are chilling: (4+ / 0-)
        To reinforce this we seem to have created as a sort of common law institutional reinforcements that when "outlaws" are imprisoned they are denied all the protections of law abiding society.
        When a girl or woman refuses to confirm to society's expectation of female gender roles and sexual comportment, they too are deemed outlaws, who are then denied the protections of proper society.
      •  I think this gets at the heart of the problem. (0+ / 0-)

        Very well stated.

      •  I honestly think (1+ / 0-)
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        Good decent "Ordinary citizens" (whom I do tend to hold in high regard, which I realize is not the trend at dkos) have no idea what really happens in prisons across this country. They understand that imprisoned ex-cops, child rapists and that sort of offender have a very difficult time. But otherwise, they have no clue.

        The problem, as you allude to, is that they simply don't care about what goes on behind prison walls because there is media like Nancy Grace (CNN, Fox, etc) that tells them we live in dangerous times, but with harsh penalties and a myriad of prisons, they are made to feel safer.

        And yes, my wording there is very intentional. These citizens and their families (who mean everything to them) aren't necessarily safer in the big picture:  it's an illusion, created by the prison-industrial complex.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:51:51 AM PDT

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