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  •  Mexico has 5x the homicide rate as the US (2+ / 0-)
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    mconvente, mkoz

    And I'd consider several parts of the US "hellholes"

    Look at two cities, El Paso (USA) had only 5 murders in 2010, its neighboring city Juarez just a couple feet away had over 3,000 murders...and just a few months ago there was another flare up of murders in Juarez

    It's certainly weird seeing people trying to pretend Mexico is this ultimate paradise

    Do I even have to mention their criminal justice system?

    •  No one is saying that Mexico is a paradise (4+ / 0-)
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      Draxinum, begone, gchaucer2, sethtriggs

      At least, I'm not. Obviously they have serious problems, and sure, there's some amount of truth to Lindsey's general point (ie, not many people are trying to enter illegally from Canada vs. Mexico).

      However, there's also something called TACT and DIPLOMACY, which Graham--a sitting United States Senator, for heaven's sake--is utterly lacking in.

      •  I agree about it lacking tact (2+ / 0-)
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        Brainwrap, mconvente

        It's completely ridiculous for a US Senator to say, and it deserves mocking

        But a lot of the people making the comments (you can read the comments yourself) are going on about how amazing Mexico is compared to the US

        •  That's because Mexico IS amazing in many (5+ / 0-)

          ways when compared to the US. The reverse is also true.

          Conveniently you mentioned the high murder rate (without a link) in Juarez without mentioning the cause of it. Luckily, most people on this site (I'd like to think) know that as a result of the US decades long charade known as the "War on drugs" Mexican cartels battle each other for control of the very lucrative product pipelines into the US.

          The Americas greatest political dynasty...the Kaan

          by catilinus on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:32:10 PM PDT

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          •  That's irrelevant, unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

            The US has hurt a lot of nation states with flawed policies

            Just look at Iraq

            Yet, how would you act if someone said:

            "Well Iraq is a great place to live! Gas is cheap! No party controlled by strict Christians! Yeah sure we have problems, but that is only because of the US so it doesn't matter...for some reason!"

            It's silly

            I can't believe someone would seriously try to compare the US and Mexico

            Look at how many english-speaking science graduates in Mexico try to immigrate to the United States, now look at how many spanish-speaking science graduates in the United States try to immigrate to Mexico

            •  I applaud the blatancy of your chauvinsim. (0+ / 0-)
              I can't believe someone would seriously try to compare the US and Mexico
              Where I lived in Mexico had lower crime rates than where I live here in the U.S.

              I can compare both because I've lived in both.

              I know Mexico beyond the cartoon characterizing of U.S. chauvanists. I hope you will one day.

              The Americas greatest political dynasty...the Kaan

              by catilinus on Fri May 10, 2013 at 03:17:38 PM PDT

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              •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

                The resort towns and best locations in Mexico may be better than the worst neighborhoods in a nation of over 300 million people

                Sounds like a winning argument, I have no idea why spanish speaking science graduates aren't flooding into Mexico while the english speaking science graduates of Mexico aren't staying put in their clearly much more secure and stable country

                Look at the NYTimes slandering Mexico, you should write them an angry letter about how it is all a conspiracy and they are just making things up:

                Six years into a mostly military assault on drug cartels, impunity across much of Mexico has worsened, and justice is harder to find. Criminals in Mexico are less likely to be punished now than even just a few years ago, say current and former government officials and experts who have studied Mexico’s ailing judiciary, because the authorities have been overwhelmed by increases in violent crime while corruption, fear and incompetence have continued to keep the justice system weak.

                Many areas now veer toward lawlessness: in 14 of Mexico’s 31 states, the chance of a crime’s leading to trial and sentencing was less than 1 percent in 2010, according to government figures analyzed by a Mexican research institute known as Cidac. And since then, experts say, attempts at reform have stalled as crime and impunity have become cozy partners.

    •  Depends where you go (1+ / 0-)
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      The border towns are pretty rough. Always have been but they've become a lot rougher in recent years.

      I used to lay over in Monterrey and Guadalajara. They were both pretty decent except the air pollution in Monterrey could get pretty bad.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:57:52 PM PDT

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    •  And the U.S. Virgin Islands is 9x higher (1+ / 0-)
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