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  •  Moderates prop up religious extremeists (6+ / 0-)

    Why does it take an atheist to point the finger at the religious allowing radical extremism within their faith, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or what have you? Because the mainstream moderates of those religions do not disown them, or confront them.

    Of course, if they want to start citing their holy books they have a problem in that the literalists can defend their view quite nicely by standing by what the books actually say. It all comes down to an interpretation of these texts and as there is no proof for any of it, mainstream religious folk have no room to criticize another interpretation. In fact they shy away from this as it's probably easier to defend a more literal, though sometimes very immoral, text of the book(s). The only way in America that they can really criticize and shout down, shun, and stand against the extremists is by taking a moral standing that is more in line with the secular morality which our country is founded on. As outlined, as much as it is in principle, in the constitution. That is, the accepted moral norm that we live by in our western cultures. The same goes for moral secularism in other places around the world, at least, in countries where it exists.

    It's not so much a

    Silly Liberal view that all religions are alike because it makes you feel good.
    Those who accept any belief as being acceptable because it is based on someone's faith will accept enormous amounts of immorality silently because they can't challenge another unprovable belief with their own unprovable belief.
    •  That's one thought experiment (0+ / 0-)

      It doesn't seem to have any bearing on the topic at hand though.

      •  It's not a thought experiment at all (0+ / 0-)

        Out in the wilds, ecumenical groups rely on putting aside another person's core beliefs. Even if you think they are wrong or silly or thundering in order to to accomplish things for the good of the community. But there are other forces out there who use your religion as a weapon against others. You're probably going to hell in their view. And you start with their certainty that you are wrong.

        They assume they are right and sometimes even solid, widely accepted evidence will not change their view. Because faith is belief without evidence. It's unique compared to testable kinds of beliefs which build trust instead. Don't we want governments run using real facts of a real world? I don't want people who blithely reject strong evidence at the levers of power of ANY government.

        Faith based beliefs must at some level reject evidence and refuse to take some facts into account. That is the very nature of the assumption. And sometimes they can be facts of significant importance that are overlooked by the person in favor of their own personal comfort.

        •  And ecumenicals don't go bursting bubbles. (0+ / 0-)

          It's impolite at best. They have numbers that could easily speak for most of their major religions to tell their extremists to sit down. And politically keep them from legislating their special beliefs. But everyone is right when all you have to work with is interpretation. It's not even pass/fail.

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