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  •  I believe numerically speaking heterosexuality is (1+ / 0-)
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    the most common and so is statistically the default.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Sun May 12, 2013 at 09:31:11 AM PDT

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    •  One source for that: (1+ / 0-)
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      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Sun May 12, 2013 at 09:34:49 AM PDT

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    •  Has a control been established? (1+ / 0-)
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      What culture was it drawn from?

      :) I'm sure you know that your statement can not be quantified. Just the variations across the border with Mexico as to sexuality reinforces my point.

      It is important to consider Latino viewpoints on homosexuality and bisexuality when discussing the Latino MSM community. Many Latino men that mainstream American (Anglo) culture might identify as “gay” or bisexual identify themselves as heterosexual. In a male-to-male sexual contact, the inserting partner (the “dominant” partner that inserts his penis during anal sex) is still considered masculine and heterosexual. While in mainstream American culture, “one drop of homosexuality” or one sexual encounter with another man labels you as “gay,” in Latino culture “gay” is associated with the receiving partner (into whom the penis is inserted). In Mexican culture, they are called putos or jotos and are considered feminine. This affects the messages tailored to Latino MSM. Previous messages and models of intervention have been focused on white MSM, in particular the white gay community.
      So a top in their culture is seen as straight even though he is bisexual.
      •  I gave a source. Do you have any source for the (1+ / 0-)
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        idea that bisexuality is the default?



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Sun May 12, 2013 at 10:06:23 AM PDT

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        •  Please remember my point that we lack (1+ / 0-)
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          a control group.

          •  Can you point to a single society anywhere on (1+ / 0-)
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            Earth where the majority are bisexual? What sort of biological logic would that make?



            Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

            by Wee Mama on Sun May 12, 2013 at 01:26:03 PM PDT

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            •  It could actually make quite a bit of sense, (0+ / 0-)

              biologically, with a species that has such a long gestation period and requires such a long time and amount of resources needed to raise it's young to maturity.  It could serve to bond a group of adults together to combine forces to care for the young without sexual competition being such a divisive force.

              As for an example, how about the ancient Greeks?

              We seem to be culturally evolving toward more tolerance and individual freedom, at least for the moment, so we may indeed get a chance to see how percentages change, going forward.  I find it interesting that %'s are different across nations and groups, now, so that would at the least argue that we really don't know what the biological reality really is, and given the strength of the cultural forces arrayed against it, it is bound to be much, much higher that measured, today.

              Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

              by bkamr on Sun May 12, 2013 at 02:01:32 PM PDT

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              •  Whales and elephants have longer gestation and (1+ / 0-)
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                are intelligent but are not primarily bisexual.

                Among Ancient Greeks pederasty was practiced by some of the economic elite but was not universal or expected. Other men sought out heteirae if they were bored of their home bound wives.



                Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

                by Wee Mama on Sun May 12, 2013 at 06:29:36 PM PDT

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                •  Hmm. I don't know much about whale and (0+ / 0-)

                  elephant sexuality.  I was mainly thinking about the Greek soldiers in addition to the elite.  Come to think of it, I wonder what the prevalence of bisexuality is within prison communities ...

                  In any case, it will be interesting to see what happens to the % self-reports in the countries that have legalized same sex marriage in the decades to come.

                  Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                  by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 01:37:46 AM PDT

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                  •  Even among the Greeks, the Theban band was a (0+ / 0-)

                    small subsection of the army - part of why they stood out.



                    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

                    by Wee Mama on Mon May 13, 2013 at 08:46:01 AM PDT

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                    •  I'm not an expert in this area, and frankly, I'm (0+ / 0-)

                      not particularly interested in becoming one.  However, a little curious research turned up this on-line bit, that if I were interested, does seem to provide quite a few potentially interesting links to primary sources.

                      There seems to be at least a bit of significant evidence that at least one culture had more than single digits involved in bisexuality and had developed social/ cultural institutions to accomadate a more fluid understanding of sexuality, beyond the Thebens.

                      Whatever.  

                      My original point was that I'm certainly open to learning that human sexuality is not as genetically set to heterosexual dominance as our recent cultural affectations would have us think.  I'd find that to be incredibly interesting, and was just wondering how that might be researched or looked into ... mainly as a thought exercise.  

                      Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                      by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:43:46 PM PDT

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                      •  Oops, here's the link. :) (0+ / 0-)

                        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                        by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:45:08 PM PDT

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                        •  Aaagh! (0+ / 0-)

                          Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                          by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:45:29 PM PDT

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                          •  Unfortunately, as you'll see from it, as practiced (0+ / 0-)

                            in Ancient Greece pederasty was another expression of contempt for women. Men tended not to think of wives as their equals or friends, and in the classic form of pederasty (passive younger partner, active older partner) power differentials were preserved as was "masculinity". Not really an example of homosexuality that speaks to me.



                            Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

                            by Wee Mama on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:58:58 PM PDT

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                          •  Okay, yeah, it was a form of paternalism and (0+ / 0-)

                            mysoginy, but what else was/ is new?  That wasn't the question, and of course, I find that reprehensible.  :)  

                            The initial question was how bisexual IS the human species, atcually?  Interestingly, you have just made the point that the Greeks' disregard for women culturally made them turn to other me -- which means that they really did not genetically loathe other men sexually all that very much.

                            Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                            by bkamr on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:59:13 PM PDT

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