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  •  Whales and elephants have longer gestation and (1+ / 0-)
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    are intelligent but are not primarily bisexual.

    Among Ancient Greeks pederasty was practiced by some of the economic elite but was not universal or expected. Other men sought out heteirae if they were bored of their home bound wives.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Sun May 12, 2013 at 06:29:36 PM PDT

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    •  Hmm. I don't know much about whale and (0+ / 0-)

      elephant sexuality.  I was mainly thinking about the Greek soldiers in addition to the elite.  Come to think of it, I wonder what the prevalence of bisexuality is within prison communities ...

      In any case, it will be interesting to see what happens to the % self-reports in the countries that have legalized same sex marriage in the decades to come.

      Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

      by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 01:37:46 AM PDT

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      •  Even among the Greeks, the Theban band was a (0+ / 0-)

        small subsection of the army - part of why they stood out.



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Mon May 13, 2013 at 08:46:01 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not an expert in this area, and frankly, I'm (0+ / 0-)

          not particularly interested in becoming one.  However, a little curious research turned up this on-line bit, that if I were interested, does seem to provide quite a few potentially interesting links to primary sources.

          There seems to be at least a bit of significant evidence that at least one culture had more than single digits involved in bisexuality and had developed social/ cultural institutions to accomadate a more fluid understanding of sexuality, beyond the Thebens.

          Whatever.  

          My original point was that I'm certainly open to learning that human sexuality is not as genetically set to heterosexual dominance as our recent cultural affectations would have us think.  I'd find that to be incredibly interesting, and was just wondering how that might be researched or looked into ... mainly as a thought exercise.  

          Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

          by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:43:46 PM PDT

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          •  Oops, here's the link. :) (0+ / 0-)

            Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

            by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:45:08 PM PDT

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            •  Aaagh! (0+ / 0-)

              Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

              by bkamr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:45:29 PM PDT

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              •  Unfortunately, as you'll see from it, as practiced (0+ / 0-)

                in Ancient Greece pederasty was another expression of contempt for women. Men tended not to think of wives as their equals or friends, and in the classic form of pederasty (passive younger partner, active older partner) power differentials were preserved as was "masculinity". Not really an example of homosexuality that speaks to me.



                Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

                by Wee Mama on Mon May 13, 2013 at 02:58:58 PM PDT

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                •  Okay, yeah, it was a form of paternalism and (0+ / 0-)

                  mysoginy, but what else was/ is new?  That wasn't the question, and of course, I find that reprehensible.  :)  

                  The initial question was how bisexual IS the human species, atcually?  Interestingly, you have just made the point that the Greeks' disregard for women culturally made them turn to other me -- which means that they really did not genetically loathe other men sexually all that very much.

                  Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                  by bkamr on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:59:13 PM PDT

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