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  •  Regarding the IRS (7+ / 0-)

    Maybe I just don't get it, but is it totally unreasonable to at least consider that the IRS may have been justified in giving some of these Tea Party and right-wing groups greater scrutiny?

    These are groups that have all but said that taxes are tyranny, that they're "sovereign citizens" so the law doesn't apply to them, and that citizens need to consider an armed revolt against the Government. Doesn't it follow that those groups might be more likely to engage in tax shenanigans than other groups who don't express those beliefs?

    I completely agree that the IRS should never target any individual or group for purely political purposes -- including payback. And if the IRS under a GOP administration did that to a liberal group, I'd be justifiably enraged.

    But I'm not sure that's what happened here. The IRS has been around for a while now, and I assume they've been able to develop some pretty advanced models for determining who gets audited, who is/isn't a risk, etc.

    I'm not sure this is all as simple as most people want to believe.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:18:54 AM PDT

    •  And it was not an audit, just, could we have some (1+ / 0-)
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      more backup that what you do is a charity, please?

    •  IRS isn't empowered to consider anti-tax per se (0+ / 0-)

      as a basis for scrutiny.  But they are mandated to ensure that political activity is not unfairly exempted from taxation.  It is not a stretch to question whether a politically charged name or mission statement might imply a political mission.

      Guns don't kill people like hammers don't pound nails.

      by rschndr on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:58:51 AM PDT

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    •  IRS is obligated to investigate (0+ / 0-)

      when they see these non-profit organizations raising millions of dollars and spending it on tv ads, radio ads and other obvious direct political, election year activities.

      There are certain red-flags that the IRS watches for in any non-profit organization.  Any good accountant will tell you the activity to avoid if you don't want to trigger an IRS audit.

      I'm not buying the assertions that the IRS chose to audit groups that had certain words in their names.   More likely, they're watching for groups that raise large amounts of tax deductible donations as 501 c 3 tax exempt organizations, then switch to 501 c 4 status in order to use those funds for political activities.  

      If your local PTA group or soccer league suddenly raised a million bucks, then applied for c4 status while buying a bunch of political tv ads, they would attract IRS attention, too.

      "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being up there."

      by Betty Pinson on Mon May 13, 2013 at 11:34:21 AM PDT

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      •  They said they did. They apologized for it like (0+ / 0-)

        dumb asses.  I don't know what stupid PR guy told them to go before the cameras and apologize but he or she needs to find another job.

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