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  •  There was a lot of “if” (17+ / 0-)

    in the statement quoted here. So if it turns out the accusations are bullshit, he's covered. What he emphasized was that the charges were serious.

    At this point, it's a reaction that makes sense: There are still investigations to be carried out, but the charge is real. The Sherrod move would've been to start firing people preemptively.

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    by Code Monkey on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:20:44 AM PDT

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    •  Right. It's not Obama jumping to conclusions. (12+ / 0-)

      It's the commenter.

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      by joe from Lowell on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:24:53 AM PDT

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    •  Innocent until proven guilty is the correct stance (4+ / 0-)

      ..to take imo, and the President did just that:

      "If you've got the IRS operating in anything less than a neutral and non-partisan way..
      It laws were broken, that should be investigated, of course.

      And by putting in that proper context even the RWNJ's have no justification for further accusation/conspiracy (not that that will stop them) ; but now the question that will come to mind - even teabaggers will know it (which is probably half the cause of their "outrage"..

      Are these teaparty groups really of 501(c)4 status as a non-political entity? - easy answer there


       • An organization that primarily benefits a private group of citizens cannot qualify for IRC 501(c)(4) exempt status.
      [...]
       • However, an organization that loses its IRC 501(c)(3) status because of excessive lobbying or political campaign intervention may not be treated as an organization described in IRC 501(c)(4). IRC 504(a).
      501(c)4

      Not that the teaparty doesn't insist that pushing their "values" on other people is anything but "common good".
       Most people will see that the various teabag patriot groups break 501(c)4 rules

      •  No, they still have a basis and that's why a (0+ / 0-)

        proper investigation is appropriate.

        One very legitimate question for an investigation:

        If this was not an intent to harass specific groups, how do we protect against innocent intents that have less than innocent results?

        Having spent many years in software, I could well imagine somebody jumping up and saying -- "Wait! I know how we could make that a lot more efficient" and nobody scrutinizing the end result for possible Constitutional problems.

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        by dinotrac on Mon May 13, 2013 at 12:44:31 PM PDT

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