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  •  No, the US would never instigate a civil war (0+ / 0-)

    in another country.  
    Blessed are the peacemakers.

    "I'm an antiwar propagandist as accused by democrats. Not even republicans have called me that."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Mon May 13, 2013 at 01:13:05 PM PDT

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    •  Are you saying that the U.S. instigated... (4+ / 0-)

      ...the civil war in Libya?

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon May 13, 2013 at 01:27:56 PM PDT

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    •  That is exactly what is more needed Big al (1+ / 0-)
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      More black and white thinking and personal attacks.

      Perhaps if you read my comment as cleverly as you applied my sig line you would note that that was not what I wrote.

      I acknowledged that the US had contributed to where Libya is currently, my issue was stating that it was the US - period - who is responsible for where Libya is. I guess you are much more sophisticated than me and know better.

      Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

      by 4CasandChlo on Mon May 13, 2013 at 01:28:34 PM PDT

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      •  The adrenalin high of self righteous indignation (1+ / 0-)
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        has a tendency to cloud the faculties of reason and judgement.

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Mon May 13, 2013 at 03:16:46 PM PDT

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      •  I agree. The US can influence events in Libya, (1+ / 0-)
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        but can't control them and better not think they can.  Libya is  experiencing the divisions and conflicts that reliably emerge when a brutal dictator rules for a long time and then is overthrown.  Suppressed divisions and emnities resurge, fueled by years of bitterness.  Different agendas compete, often in the street. Things tend to be a mess for a while, until some faction or coalition becomes dominant and begins rebuilding on their chosen terms.  We can hope the winning factions won't be jihadist fanatics, will lean towards democracy and human rights, and will be able to resist dominance by multinational corporations.  If the US acts skillfully -- and if the US is favoring democratic forces at the moment -- we might be able to give some valuable help to the better factions.  BUt we can't guarantee a "win."

        Many people don't want to accept that foreign policy, at best, is a series of trade-offs and gambles.  If based on knowledge, skill, and good judgment, those gambles will STILL produce negative effects some of the time, because the US doesn't actually rule the world, even if some of our leaders (and some progressives) seem to think it does.

        --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

        by Fiona West on Mon May 13, 2013 at 03:35:04 PM PDT

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