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  •  As with background checks... (5+ / 0-)

    they had their own junk-laden Republican amendment for it, so they could claim they voted for it even as they voted against it. The WP article I cited above mentions this one dying via Democratic votes and the filibuster rules, as it too scored a majority vote, meaning some Democrats voted with the Republicans for the GOP's sop to the NRA. I think the mention of Cruz is wrong, and should either stick him in Texas, or maybe they meant Jeff Flake.

    Republican gun legislation failed 52-48: The main Republican alternative to gun control, proposed by Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Ted Cruz (R-Ariz.) failed with 52 senators in favor and 48 opposed. It would increase funding for criminal prosecution, school safety, and mental health resources and create a task force to go after felons who fail background checks. It would also criminalize trafficking and straw purchasing and increase the penalties for them. At the same time, the amendment would loosen gun restrictions by making it easier to purchase and carry guns across state lines. The National Rifle Association supported this legislation. Nine Democrats supported it: Baucus, Begich, Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), Heitkamp, Mary Landrieu (La.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Pryor and Jon Tester (Mont.). Two Republicans, Kirk and Mike Lee (Utah) opposed.

    If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

    by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 08:55:24 AM PDT

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    •  So, wait.. (2+ / 0-)
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      create a task force to go after felons who fail background checks
      It's illegal to fail a background check?
      As long as the person failing the check doesn't get a gun, that should be the extent of the penalty.
      Or am I missing something here?

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:23:13 AM PDT

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      •  They may be after felons for trying to get guns (3+ / 0-)

        which may be illegal for them to have. If they hadn't loaded their bill down with pro-gun provisions, perhaps they could have garnered more support.

        http://www.grassley.senate.gov/...

        Cruz Task Force. Task Force and $10 million per year for 5 years to prosecute felons and fugitives who try to get guns. Created task force and proposes funding of $10 million per year for five years to prosecute felons and fugitives who fail National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)–funded through the Asset Forfeiture Fund.

        If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

        by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:33:51 AM PDT

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        •  So they prosecute felons for TRYING (1+ / 0-)
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          to buy a gun through legal channels?

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:45:05 AM PDT

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          •  Legal channel they're not allowed to use (5+ / 0-)

            hence the fail at the check. But due to lack of manpower, or serious penalty, it may go un-prosecuted. Like gun trafficking itself, perhaps.

            If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

            by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:50:22 AM PDT

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            •  Only apply to felons? (1+ / 0-)
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              or to anyone who fails a BC?
              How do you know if you'd fail until you do?

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Thu May 16, 2013 at 11:47:46 AM PDT

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              •  Grassley's pdf says felons and fugitives (2+ / 0-)
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                I don't think they would go after anyone, but given that it's a Republican bill some skepticism may be warranted.

                That being said, I don't think the basic idea is bad. I think that if a state has standing law that felons are prohibited firearms that they ought to know, and that the state has an interest in such a prohibition. If there are felons out there who pose no danger (ridiculous war on drugs laws come to mind), then the case could be made for being more precise.

                If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

                by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 12:14:36 PM PDT

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          •  There is some precedent, I believe. (4+ / 0-)

            If a minor, for instance, even TRIES to purchase alcohol they can be busted.  "Attempted murder" and "Attempted assault" are all illegal.  A lot of "attempted" crimes are.  

            Presumably if you are a felon you know that TRYING to buy a weapon is a no-no.  It's really not a stretch to punish someone for intent or for trying to break the law.    

            Metaphors be with you.

            by koosah on Thu May 16, 2013 at 12:35:46 PM PDT

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        •  Yes--exactly (3+ / 0-)

          It is illegal for a felon to attempt to purchase a gun so the refrain about enforce the law is that the federal government is not enforcing the law in terms of going after those attempted purchases enough.  

          There is some merit to the idea of enforcing those laws more strictly, but most people trying to traffic are using straw purchasers in some form.  Thus tracking down straw purchasers is generally a better used of government's limited resources.  

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