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  •  We are in a period of economic and political (3+ / 0-)
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    crisis. It a dangerous time to abandon nominal allies when you have a radicalized political opponent.

    Ask the communists in how well it did them to abandon the social democrats against the radicalized right-wing in Weinmar Germany.

    •  Second time that's been brought up, the (8+ / 0-)

      Nazi thing.  Be very afraid.  Vote for Hillary then and see what you get.  
      The point is both parties are corrupted by the same entities.  What exactly would the right wing do differently than Obama has done?   What if McCain had been President, what would be different?  Cut Social Security?  And Asian Pivot? Wars with Syria and Libya?  Colonizing of Africa?  Interference in latin American democracies?  Bail out the banks?  Ease restrictions on Corporations?

      "I'm an antiwar propagandist as accused by democrats. Not even republicans have called me that."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 16, 2013 at 12:37:55 PM PDT

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      •  Take a good look a Paul Ryan's or (2+ / 0-)
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        Rand Paul's budget and ask yourself again if there is a difference between the parties.

        Now if your arguing the right-wing doesn't believe what they are saying and they will govern similar to Obama then fine that's an argument I'm open to.

        But if they really believe what they are saying then the idea that they aren't different then the Democrats is absurd.

        •  Kabuki theatre man. (7+ / 0-)

          Look at the progression from Clinton (Glass Steagal, Commodities Mod Act of 2000, Iraq, Syria) to Bush (Iraq, Afghanistan, Financial depression, Patriot Act, Homeland Security) to Obama (Obama/Romneycare, more and more).  In the end, McCain would have done the same things.  It's not like the democratic party would go away and not prevent more extreme positions from taking place.  We can place a little faith with the American people at least.  Not much, but a little.

          "I'm an antiwar propagandist as accused by democrats. Not even republicans have called me that."

          by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 16, 2013 at 12:57:15 PM PDT

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          •  We can agree to disagree (1+ / 0-)
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            To me the Republicans don't want me to vote, get an education and think my taxes are too low and Mitt Romney's taxes are too high.

            You form some new coalition with intellectually honest tea party people (good luck with that) or make the Greens a viable party or even tell me how a successful revolution happens that gets rid of the plutocrats I'll be the first to apologize for my ignorance and slavish devotion to the Democrats.

            Until then I'm staying on the field and fighting my ass off to defeat Republicans.

      •  "Those who refuse to learn from history..." (5+ / 0-)

        You know the rest.

        Lesser evilism is a perennial problem because we haven't succeeded in building a strong, militant movement from the left in the US. The only remedy is to build such a movement. Ignoring the threat posed by the RW is no way to do this. This error has repeatedly disarmed the left and made it ineffective in the face of advancing corporatism.

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Thu May 16, 2013 at 02:38:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yes both Parties are badly corrupted (2+ / 0-)
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        by corporatist monies and influence. I think they have always been somewhat corrupted, and now they are very corrupted.

        But together they constitute the two halves of whatever government we have. Such as it is. It still functions, though less well than it has in the past. But if things keep going the way they have been going, it might not be able, in the not-too-distant future, to function at all... except as a fascist police state.

        An official Third Party is not practicable at this time. But maybe a defacto Third Party is possible. A progressive coalition that (while still nominally Democratic, and generally supportive of Democratic candidates) could put significant pressure on them. It could organize and function independently, raise money, and recruit challengers in primaries.

        A Tea Party of the left, in other words.

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