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  •  Hmmm (0+ / 0-)

    If you are a resident of New York, you are required to file a New York tax return and pay New York taxes, even if your income is earned out of state (you would, if you filed state returns, have been entitled to a credit for the taxes you paid out of state.  So no, it isn't unusual;  if you didn't file a New York return, you fucked up.  Claiming that you're a victim because you're an organizer:  also fucked up.

    And, I can find no verification online of your claim that Ralph Nader is "currently being persecuted by the IRS."  Only that in 2004 some right-wing groups complained to the FEC and the IRS that the Nader campaign and CitizenWorks shared a receptionist and office space--complaints that appear to have gone nowhere.

    Dramatize much?

    "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

    by Old Left Good Left on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:42:33 AM PDT

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    •  not at all (0+ / 0-)

        of course one does have to fill out the in-state tax forms - the point is that I had no problem until I gave the press conference, and then, just as I was warned, immediately after I gave it, I started getting notices for all outstanding years at once. But especially, the point is that the NY State tax authorities were systematically abusive about how they handled it, making up huge sums as if I hadn't paid in the other state at all, claiming not to have received evidence I had when I sent it, telling me they would set up an installment plan to take the money from my bank account while it was resolved, and if I didn't give them my bank number, they'd dun my wages; then, when I gave them my bank number, suddenly taking everything (did you know it was possible to have negative $8,000 in one's bank account?) - then pretending they hadn't done it and dunning my wages anyway; insisting they weren't dunning my salary so it was impossible to take the lien off... All the tax attorneys I consulted insisted they'd never seen anything like it. Again, I had to contact a state senator and work on it with them for a month before they finally had to admit I didn't owe any of the money and gave it back.

        as for Nader, long story...

      •  Except (0+ / 0-)

        Apparently you didn't file, and got caught.  That's how it works--whether or not you are an organizer.   You cheat, you lose.

        As for Nader, how about one link to a reputable source.  Until then, you're just blowing smoke.

        "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

        by Old Left Good Left on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:41:02 AM PDT

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        •  I didn't cheat (0+ / 0-)

          I would have actually got money back had I originally filed. I basically told them to keep the change and got screwed for it.

          The fact that you ignored what I wrote - that the IRS clearly audited me the moment I appeared as a political spokesman and then went and broke every rule in their own book, lying and cheating constantly, to hit me up for thousands they knew perfectly well I didn't owe and finally had to admit I didn't owe - shows everything. It doesn't seem to bother you at all that activists are being intentionally targeted. Amazing.

          All I can say is I hope the IRS goes after you with similar dishonesty and venom. It'll lovely to hear what you have to say about it then.


          •  Post hoc ergo propter hoc (0+ / 0-)

            You show no connection between your audit and your activism.  You confuse a personal anecdote with data.  In other words, you're full of shit.

            Also, according to your posts, you were audited by New York, not the IRS.  And you still have not adduced a single shred of evidence relating to Nader.

            "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

            by Old Left Good Left on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:00:26 AM PDT

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            •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

              why I'm replying to someone who is behaving like the most biased person in the entire universe when no one else is paying attention but let's once again go over what I actually said

                 * I had never been audited or had any trouble with the federal or local tax authorities for my entire life
                 * I made a statement at a press conference as an activist spokesman, and the person next to me warned me if I was quoted in the New York Times, I could expect to be audited immediately
                 * I was quoted in the New York Times
                 * I was audited immediately
                 * the tax authorities proceeded to pursue me aggressively for money they knew perfectly well, and finally admitted they knew perfectly well, I didn't owe

                 now, anyone who is not for some weird reason imbued with implacable hostility towards either activists, or people who question the IRS, or both, is going to recognize the overwhelming unlikelihood of this being a coincidence. If the other activist warned me that I would be audited, it was obviously because this had happened repeatedly to others in a similar situation (as indeed it had.) Now honestly, in that circumstance, what's the chance that when something is so commonplace you are warned to expect it will happen, and then it does indeed happen just as predicted, that it's happening would still be a complete coincidence? It would be like someone warns you "if you cross that line the guard in that tower over there will shoot you," and you cross the line, and the guard shoots you, and an observer still says "yes, but can you prove that's the reason the guard shot you? It might have been a coincidence! Maybe the guard doesn't shoot people who cross the line. Maybe that guy is paranoid, and just had a fantasy that he'd shoot people who cross the line, and by sheer coincidence, the guard just happened to shoot the guy for some other reason?"

              Yeah, anything is possible. But it's about as likely in either case.

              •  Whatever (0+ / 0-)

                I guess it feeds your ego to "know" that you are so important as to be audited because you are an activist.

                What about Nader?  Are you going to even attempt to back up your claims?

                "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                by Old Left Good Left on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:09:42 PM PDT

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              •  "it's about as likely in either case" (0+ / 0-)

                Now I understand your problem--you have an astonishing lack of ability to calculate probabilities.

                "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                by Old Left Good Left on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:26:27 PM PDT

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