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  •  Solid ... Good Job! (6+ / 0-)

    It is time people realized that supporting, or criticizing a "person", is equally unproductive whether that person is President of the United States, or another Kossack you are disagreeing with.

    We can virtually eliminate the fighting, AND develop clear progressive ideas if we confine our criticisms to the idea and policies, and leave the personalities at the door.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Fri May 17, 2013 at 08:18:41 PM PDT

    •  Except voiding this (14+ / 0-)
      if we confine our criticisms to the idea and policies,
      strikes me as the very aim of many of the commenters. As if criticizing or assessing policies and appointments negatively is merely a personal assault on Obama; a surrender to Republicans(?!?); and bad for optics.

      Somehow there's supposed to be some magic, where if everybody refrains from mentioning a thing gone wrong, this will convince the general electorate that what they see is not what they see.

      And then, on top of the ad hominem, you get the baldfaced lying. For instance the "chained-CPI would not be a reduction in benefits," and even "the President never campaigned on a government-run insurance model" (which later became called the public option.)

      Even when you give the links, quote the campaign and show the video.

      To eliminate the fighting you'd have to have honest actors. But many of the actors are here for the purpose of manipulation.

      There's no antidote to people who choose to value tribal loyalty above reality. Except to not engage them or to point out that avoiding the topic raised is an full-out admission that the critical viewpoint is true.

      The beauty of "Shift Click" on the triangle near a thread gone wrong is not to be ignored. Though the initiator of should be.


      Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

      by Jim P on Fri May 17, 2013 at 09:19:20 PM PDT

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    •  Well, I've never been one who has (3+ / 0-)
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      twigg, a2nite, orestes1963

      been particularly worried about disagreement or fights - it is the quality of the fight - whether or not it is a productive face off and it is possible to advance disagreement in a positive direction.

      I think that the Republicans are rubbing off on everyone - meaning that their tit for tat, superficial style of politics is more the standard than a political style that does have the punch to knock down the opponent, but has a much BIGGER and IMPORTANT GOAL beyond just beating the other political party.  The only reason to knock the opponent down should be to advance productive progress towards better government and a better America.  Seems like people more and more think that just knocking off an opponent is the sum total of the end game.

      The bottom line is that I don't mind a fight if it is about something important, but I don't care for the fights where all we are doing is trouncing someone else - that isn't productive in my opinion.

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