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  •  Good news. (6+ / 0-)

    Please be sensible, China.

    "When people spin this in partisan terms to obfuscate the truth, it does a real disservice to normal people not in the big club in DC. Many of them will be hurting...That is why I write."--priceman

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri May 17, 2013 at 09:07:38 PM PDT

    •  Transitioning to renewables, especially (4+ / 0-)

      wind, is sensible in another way:  Wind is cheaper than coal.  At least, it is if the coal-burning generators don't already exist.  Wind turbines have become so effective that China and many other nations can get more power for less cost by building wind farms than by building and fueling coal-burning power plants.  

      So wind makes sense for three entirely separate reasons.  It's cheaper.
      It doesn't cause air pollution.  
      It reduces Global Warming.
      No wonder China is installing a lot of it.

      Wind is even getting close to being cheaper than electricity from existing coal or natural gas burning generators.  

      Renewable energy brings national global security.     

      by Calamity Jean on Sat May 18, 2013 at 01:02:23 AM PDT

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      •  that is a great data point that I did not know (0+ / 0-)

        no wonder the coal barons are freaking out.

        although sadly, another big reason they're freaking out is because they're being out-competed by natural gas and its fracking ways.

        But in general, this is good.

        "When people spin this in partisan terms to obfuscate the truth, it does a real disservice to normal people not in the big club in DC. Many of them will be hurting...That is why I write."--priceman

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat May 18, 2013 at 07:36:05 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, coal is only cheaper than wind if the (0+ / 0-)

          coal-burning generators already exist and don't need to be built.  

          although sadly, another big reason they're freaking out is because they're being out-competed by natural gas and its fracking ways.
          I've read that fracked natural gas wells tend to fall off in production quite fast and need to be (expensively) re-fracked every three to five years.  The price of gas may take a sharp jump upward in the next few years, even without a tax on carbon.  If/when that happens, wind will really take off.  Electric companies won't want to build new coal-fired power plants.  
          But in general, this is good.  
          Yes, very much so.  

          Renewable energy brings national global security.     

          by Calamity Jean on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:02:17 PM PDT

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