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  •  Some of your complaints here are reasonable... (10+ / 0-)

    ...and I certainly agree that rooting out the right-wing burrowers ought to be a higher priority for any Democratic administration.

    But, regarding the administration's critics of the AP affair, your alignment, by implication, of the Electronic Freedom Foundation and the ACLU with neo-Confederates is just a tad overmuch.

    Moreover, the problem with what appears to be your overall idea here is that it cannot ever be up to the government to decide when freedom of the press does and does not apply. Who decides which outlets are our El Mercurios? Are you suggesting that the Obama administration raid the studios of every hate-radio operator in America and march them off in chains? Next time it won't be President Obama raiding press offices, it will be President Cruz, or some such, and Daily Kos and Krebscycle and the People's View will be the targets.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:44:29 AM PDT

    •  who should it be up to? (5+ / 0-)

      If the Nebraska Weekly Pro-Life is publishing the names and confidential medical information of girls who went to planned parenthood is this, in principle, exactly the same as Daniel Ellsberg publishing the Pentagon Papers?

      If Ken Starr is publishing secret grand jury testimony is this the same as Peter Altgeld criticizing the Governor of New York?

      If Bill Casey is leaking the details of rescue missions to the Iranian Secret Service or, for that matter, to the NYTimes, is that the same as a reporter revealing torture at Abu Grhaib.

      There is a distinction between whistleblowing and leaking that is important to remember.  And yes, it's up to the executive, courts, congress and public to make the judgement case by case. You can't escape the need for people to make moral judgments. What Radio Rwanda did was exhort genocide. It should have been shut down.  The common use of such excuses to shut down dissenting voices doesn't change anything. One might as well argue that rape prosecutions shouldn't happen because sometimes people make false accusations.

      self-appointed intellectual cop

      by citizen k on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:54:54 AM PDT

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    •  also (3+ / 0-)
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      Onomastic, emelyn, Jeff Simpson

      If Holder were prosecuting AP journalists, and I use the term loosely, then I'd be more sympathetic to complaints. But he's not. The government is looking at AP phone records, apparently, in an effort to find the government employee who violated secrecy laws.

      BTW: I am also unsympathetic to Scooter Libby. He deserved to be prosecuted and should have gone to jail.

      self-appointed intellectual cop

      by citizen k on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:06:52 AM PDT

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    •  It's time for the overall discussion. Well past, (2+ / 0-)
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      Onomastic, Meteor Blades

      in fact. We need it because it hasn't happened in over 200 years. We can't have, it however because only one theoretical venue exists for actually going there, and we're afraid/don't believe in it.

      Meanwhile, the complexities of a political structure that has evolved since the begining with no meaningful attempt to rationalize all of the disparate dysfunctionality continue to accumulate.

      Our nation just keeps doing the same things that made us this crazy.

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:43:50 AM PDT

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    •  Truly outstanding (albeit understated) comment! (0+ / 0-)
      ....regarding the administration's critics of the AP affair, your alignment, by implication, of the Electronic Freedom Foundation and the ACLU with neo-Confederates is just a tad overmuch...
      Kudos, MB! Bigtime!

      Sincere question (not directed at anyone in particular): Other than over-the-top equivocations and rather outrageous statements (in general), does this diarist link to anything other than his own posts to provide citations/substantive reference for whereof he speaks?

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:48:41 AM PDT

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