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  •  Er (6+ / 0-)

    It actually does turn out to be an interesting discussion.  Like many, I thought anti-fluoridation was just more purity ideology from the left, but it turns out to be more complex than that.  Y'all got a point.  

    But if you want people to be persuaded who are not already on your side, it might help to appeal to the complexity of the discussion -- the scientists who have changed their minds about it, and the difficulties in regulating dose per large scale dilution -- rather than straight up purity arguments.  Which will always win (and have a cheering section) but leave many people with a science background cold or opposed.  

    Just a thought...

    The dose is the poison, as toxicologists say.  

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Sat May 18, 2013 at 01:45:56 PM PDT

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    •  The purpose of this post (4+ / 0-)

      Is to find the source of political funding.

      I'm not trying to make an argument for or against beyond my own biases.

    •  More than willing to talk about the complexity (3+ / 0-)
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      jessical, Kevskos, ZhenRen

      In my experience of participating in the comments section of anything, those who are pro-fluoridation have typically not had much interest beyond: (1) teeth and (2) anti-fluordiation people have tinfoil hats.

      Second problem with complexity: the research on effects of fluoride covers a lot of territory. Comments from those opposed to compulsory intake of fluoride can look pretty long-winded to people who are interested in teeth, all teeth, and nothing but the teeth.

      Third problem (for me) with complexity: I am not a scientist. The authors of The Case Against Fluoride include a chemistry professor (Dr. Paul Connett) and a medical professor (Dr. Jim Beck), both of whom are, justifiably, more credible than me on the science.

      Anyone who is open to considering the case against fluoride might want to start with Dr. Connett's 50 reasons to oppose fluoride.

      Dr. Connett and Dr. Beck provide complete citations for the research they refer to, for those who want to see the original reports or journal articles.

      •  well... (2+ / 0-)
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        Horace Boothroyd III, pico

        I did read the 50 reasons link you provided...but I'm not in Portland, and as you've observed, it tends to be a fairly radicalized discussion (which I care very little about as such).  I was mainly trying to do the "writing group" dk thing and provide feedback from where one reader sits, is all.  

        Complexity in this instance was my poor way of saying -- a nod at making the case might net a wider audience (and fair enough, HB said "don't care", which is cool too).  

        To me it is interesting as a history of science and public policy thing.  We consume a lot of nasty stuff which probably has icky interaction effects and widely varying doses across population.  We've only been an industrial species for 150 years or so.  We really don't know what a lot of stuff does, in depth and long term, from the pill your doctor gives you for depression to the fluoride in your water.  On the other hand, the data is about to get a lot better, provided we still have computers and civilization and stuff fifty years from now.

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:24:32 PM PDT

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