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  •  theKgirls - they will start excommunicating (5+ / 0-)

    politicians who vote against programs for the poor after they excommunicate all politicians who are pro-choice. In the eyes of the RCC abortion is murder and is much more horrific than the budget for programs for the poor.

    It's very positive to see the Pope use his bully pulpit to talk about programs for the poor, but I don't want to see the US RCC use its power to try and force public policy positions on US politicians. That won't benefit the Dems.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:46:26 AM PDT

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    •  I didn't mean "excommunicate" (3+ / 0-)
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      I really meant denying sacraments, like when a Bishop said he wouldn't allow Kerry to receive communion and encouraged other Catholic Churches to deny sacraments to all pro-choice politicians.

      But there has never been a similar call for ousting politicians who support the death penalty or send our young people to war.

      The Catholic Churches were speaking out about ACA covering birth control and fighting it, but where are the Bishops who support ACA for providing much needed healthcare to poor pregnant women and poor children?

      They have been trying to influence public policy. And so far, I've only heard them speak out about Dem politicians. Except the nuns (who were silenced); they support policies that serve the poor.

      I'm not advocating that the Catholic Church speak out against Republicans. I'm advocating that they stop speaking about politics altogether. But I am very happy to hear the Pope's words. And I'd love it if some politicians took his words to heart...

      First the thing is impossible, then improbable, then unsatisfactorily achieved, then quietly improved, until one day it is actual and uncontroversial. ... It starts off impossible and it ends up done. - Adam Gopnik

      by theKgirls on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:24:43 AM PDT

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      •  theKgirls - the RCC isn't going to be silent (1+ / 0-)
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        particularly about abortion, which they view as murder and feel an intense moral obligation to speak out. While I am Catholic I believe that abortion decisions are personal and from a political perspective am pro-choice. The clergy and many Catholics view abortion as the same as infanticide and when you view it from that context it's easier to understand their passion. None of us would tolerate infanticide in our communities. However, with the Pope's leadership hopefully we will see some balance on issues like the social safety net and the death penalty.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:43:57 AM PDT

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        •  I wish that the Catholic hierarchy was more open (3+ / 0-)
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          To the argument that reproductive rights are absolutely essential to preventing poverty.  At least they could reverse their policy on birth control, which is irrational in the extreme. For example, Mexico's fertility rate has declined to 2.8, higher than the United States, but dramatically lower than even a decade ago. Dropping fertility rates are often associated with increasing incomes and higher infant survival rates. It is a transition that has to happen because global population increase, like global warming, is one of those enormous issues that are so big and scary that we don't even like to think about them. But giving women control over the timing of reproduction is the essential first step. The absolute minimum the Catholic Church could do is to catch up with so many of its followers and do everything possible for young women to be more able to decide when to have children, and how many. Support birth control, women's economic empowerment, and a social safety net everywhere to protect children who are born regardless of circumstances. The abortion battle, at least with the church, can wait. Female access to birth control can't.

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Sun May 19, 2013 at 12:54:49 PM PDT

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