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  •  Sorry, Folks (1+ / 0-)
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    Boogalord

    The entitlements are too generous.

    The party of the last thirty years is over. You had your fun. Now you need to tighten your belts.

    Social Security was never meant to provide fully for you in retirement. You have your pensions and a lifetime of 401(k) contributions. Remember the three-legged stool?

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Wed May 22, 2013 at 08:36:09 AM PDT

    •  Is this snark? n/t (7+ / 0-)

      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

      by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:31:50 AM PDT

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      •  i think it is irony* (2+ / 0-)
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        tardis10, lunachickie

        *Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance),[1] in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event characterized by an incongruity, or contrast, between reality (what is) and appearance (what seems to be). The term may be further defined into several categories, among which are: verbal, dramatic, and situational.

        ...

        Verbal, dramatic, and situational irony are often used for emphasis in the assertion of a truth. The ironic form of simile, used in sarcasm, and some forms of litotes emphasize one's meaning by the deliberate use of language which states the opposite of the truth — or drastically and obviously understates a factual connection.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        It's all fun n' games until someone's blood gets sucked out

        by Krush on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:42:05 AM PDT

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        •  Unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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          rudy23, Mr Robert

          for the poster, it reads far too much like the incredible defenses for this particular set of circumstances, regarding "whistleblowers" and our press, vs. the current DOJ.

          so that's why I was askin' ;)

          "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

          by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:48:14 AM PDT

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          •  It's What (2+ / 0-)
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            tardis10, Mr Robert

            The whole DC establishment believes:

            The last thirty years represented an unprecedented and profligate orgy of wealth, consumption and spending by the American people, rather than a long, dark period during which the regular American family lost its wages, its jobs, its wealth and its home.

            They also believe that 401(k)s are full and that people have pensions that will be there when they take away Social Security.

            "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

            by bink on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:55:26 AM PDT

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            •  We know that much (3+ / 0-)
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              greenbell, Mr Robert, bink
              It's What The whole DC establishment believes

              I guess the larger question is, at what point do we banish such nonsense from our party? Anyone paying attention knows that "belief system" is complete and utter bullshit, and I've had it with trying to reason with Democrats who should damned well know better:
              The last thirty years represented an unprecedented and profligate orgy of wealth, consumption and spending by the American people...

               that 401(k)s are full and that people have pensions that will be there when they take away Social Security.

              "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

              by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:18:51 AM PDT

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            •  They believe that because (2+ / 0-)
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              bink, mcmom

              it's their situation, and isn't everybody in the same situation they are?

              Didn't everybody have a good education, a professional level job, make enough to save, invest well, have all those nice connections to make sure they never had to work at those crappy, low paying jobs for long?

              Doesn't everybody have that? And a mil or so in the bank for retirement? (hell, that's POOR for most of Congress)

              Well, at least everybody THEY know has that.

      •  it appears so (0+ / 0-)

        Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

        by Boogalord on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:48:23 AM PDT

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      •  here's some snark (2+ / 0-)
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        tardis10, prishannah

        clearly labeled.

        ok...what's so bad about cutting Social Security if (and I emphasize "if") we can get rich people to pay a little more in taxes (although it would probably be written so they wouldn't and the tax burden would fall on the middle class)?

        An increase in revenue would truly help because then the banksters and the war machine would be better funded.

        I believe that's worth the sacrifice.

        •  One person's snark is (0+ / 0-)

          another's pragmatism.

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:04:40 AM PDT

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        •  You answered your own question, I think.... (1+ / 0-)
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          Shahryar
          ok...what's so bad about cutting Social Security if (and I emphasize "if") we can get rich people to pay a little more in taxes (although it would probably be written so they wouldn't and the tax burden would fall on the middle class)?
          At any rate, even if you don't agree that the italics above go a long way with an answer to your own question (which isn't exactly an answer, seeing as how it seems to depend on the middle class getting screwed, again)--I can try below?

           

          what's so bad about cutting Social Security
          To begin with, it's not even necessary.

          "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

          by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 12:14:10 PM PDT

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          •  snark..."clearly labeled" (1+ / 0-)
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            lunachickie

            I think that IS the grand bargain. Retirees will have benefits cut in return for the middle class paying more taxes that will benefit banksters and the war profiteers.

            •  Heh (2+ / 0-)
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              Shahryar, mcmom

              You know, some people would just gloss right over those words in the subject line. I've done it myself ;)

              I think you're right, though, I've thought it for months. And it's no bargain and it's unacceptable and if this President makes that deal, then he's a sellout and he's a liar.

              "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

              by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 01:51:02 PM PDT

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    •  Yup- Baby Boomers taking everyone for a ride (0+ / 0-)

      The simple fact is that the current generation will take out much more in Social Security and Medicare benefits than they put in.  Please, please, someone else show me facts that contradict this.
      http://www.politifact.com/...

      •  That was PLANNED FOR in the 1980s (1+ / 0-)
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        mcmom

        That was the WHOLE POINT AND PURPOSE of raising the FICA tax and establishing the "trust fund". It was SUPPOSED to be there when the payouts "went negative", and it was SUPPOSED to last through the "demographic bulge" of the Boomer generation.

        In practice the money was STOLEN and WASTED on stupid, STUPID wars, as well as payouts to the ultra-rich and ultra-greedy. Now that the bills are coming due, the thieves in Congress (which is practically all of them DON'T WANT TO PAY UP.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed May 22, 2013 at 02:31:38 PM PDT

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      •  Every generation (0+ / 0-)

        has taken out more than it put in.

        According to the institute’s data, a two-earner couple receiving an average wage — $44,600 per spouse in 2012 dollars — and turning 65 in 2010 would have paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare and can be expected to take out $966,000 in benefits. So, this couple will be paid about one-third more in benefits than they paid in taxes.

        If a similar couple had retired in 1980, they would have gotten back almost three times what they put in. And if they had retired in 1960, they would have gotten back more than eight times what they paid in. .

        I never heard Baby Boomers whining about our elders getting back more than they paid in - even though we had to support the generation that put NOTHING in but still got benefits. It's just the way it is. It's a paygo system. You're not accumulating your own nest egg, you're supporting your parents and grandparents.

        The Baby Boomer generation got screwed on our retirement in a number of ways, and large numbers of us are facing a grim old age. We're not taking anyone for any ride.

        We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

        by denise b on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:49:41 PM PDT

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    •  And what a party is was: (2+ / 0-)
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      bink, mcmom

      Perpetual war abroad. And cat food at home.
      Tug a little harder on your bootstraps granny, Wall Street needs more gambling money.

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