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  •  Is this snark? n/t (7+ / 0-)

    "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

    by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:31:50 AM PDT

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    •  i think it is irony* (2+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, lunachickie

      *Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance),[1] in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event characterized by an incongruity, or contrast, between reality (what is) and appearance (what seems to be). The term may be further defined into several categories, among which are: verbal, dramatic, and situational.

      ...

      Verbal, dramatic, and situational irony are often used for emphasis in the assertion of a truth. The ironic form of simile, used in sarcasm, and some forms of litotes emphasize one's meaning by the deliberate use of language which states the opposite of the truth — or drastically and obviously understates a factual connection.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      It's all fun n' games until someone's blood gets sucked out

      by Krush on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:42:05 AM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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        rudy23, Mr Robert

        for the poster, it reads far too much like the incredible defenses for this particular set of circumstances, regarding "whistleblowers" and our press, vs. the current DOJ.

        so that's why I was askin' ;)

        "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

        by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:48:14 AM PDT

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        •  It's What (2+ / 0-)
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          tardis10, Mr Robert

          The whole DC establishment believes:

          The last thirty years represented an unprecedented and profligate orgy of wealth, consumption and spending by the American people, rather than a long, dark period during which the regular American family lost its wages, its jobs, its wealth and its home.

          They also believe that 401(k)s are full and that people have pensions that will be there when they take away Social Security.

          "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

          by bink on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:55:26 AM PDT

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          •  We know that much (3+ / 0-)
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            It's What The whole DC establishment believes

            I guess the larger question is, at what point do we banish such nonsense from our party? Anyone paying attention knows that "belief system" is complete and utter bullshit, and I've had it with trying to reason with Democrats who should damned well know better:
            The last thirty years represented an unprecedented and profligate orgy of wealth, consumption and spending by the American people...

             that 401(k)s are full and that people have pensions that will be there when they take away Social Security.

            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

            by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:18:51 AM PDT

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          •  They believe that because (2+ / 0-)
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            bink, mcmom

            it's their situation, and isn't everybody in the same situation they are?

            Didn't everybody have a good education, a professional level job, make enough to save, invest well, have all those nice connections to make sure they never had to work at those crappy, low paying jobs for long?

            Doesn't everybody have that? And a mil or so in the bank for retirement? (hell, that's POOR for most of Congress)

            Well, at least everybody THEY know has that.

    •  it appears so (0+ / 0-)

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:48:23 AM PDT

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    •  here's some snark (2+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, prishannah

      clearly labeled.

      ok...what's so bad about cutting Social Security if (and I emphasize "if") we can get rich people to pay a little more in taxes (although it would probably be written so they wouldn't and the tax burden would fall on the middle class)?

      An increase in revenue would truly help because then the banksters and the war machine would be better funded.

      I believe that's worth the sacrifice.

      •  One person's snark is (0+ / 0-)

        another's pragmatism.

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:04:40 AM PDT

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      •  You answered your own question, I think.... (1+ / 0-)
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        ok...what's so bad about cutting Social Security if (and I emphasize "if") we can get rich people to pay a little more in taxes (although it would probably be written so they wouldn't and the tax burden would fall on the middle class)?
        At any rate, even if you don't agree that the italics above go a long way with an answer to your own question (which isn't exactly an answer, seeing as how it seems to depend on the middle class getting screwed, again)--I can try below?

         

        what's so bad about cutting Social Security
        To begin with, it's not even necessary.

        "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

        by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 12:14:10 PM PDT

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        •  snark..."clearly labeled" (1+ / 0-)
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          lunachickie

          I think that IS the grand bargain. Retirees will have benefits cut in return for the middle class paying more taxes that will benefit banksters and the war profiteers.

          •  Heh (2+ / 0-)
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            Shahryar, mcmom

            You know, some people would just gloss right over those words in the subject line. I've done it myself ;)

            I think you're right, though, I've thought it for months. And it's no bargain and it's unacceptable and if this President makes that deal, then he's a sellout and he's a liar.

            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

            by lunachickie on Wed May 22, 2013 at 01:51:02 PM PDT

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