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  •  If that comment doesn't help - let's try this.... (0+ / 0-)

    once the "children" who committed the crime serve their punishment - would you like them to babysit your 12 year old daughter?

    If you answer yes - I have no further comment.

    If you answer no - I have no further comment.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed May 22, 2013 at 02:11:04 PM PDT

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    •  And they'll be registered sex criminals (4+ / 0-)

      So no chance of that happening.

      Who the fuck is talking about having them baby sit?

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Wed May 22, 2013 at 02:29:58 PM PDT

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    •  That's not even the question. Babysitting (4+ / 0-)

      has nothing to due with fair treatment under the law.

      Why must the US always be so far behind on the civilized scale? These boys are boys; children. What they did was atrocious but they are boys.

      Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

      by ZenTrainer on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:31:21 PM PDT

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      •  They are not children (3+ / 0-)
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        they are young adults.  They are to comprehend right and wrong.  They are old enough to do irreparable harm to another human being.  They are also old enough to drive.

        I'm seeing so much compassion for these boys, but so very little directed towards their victim, who will have to live with the results of their sociopathic thuggery the rest of her life.

        If you want to argue that there should be a "third way" - i.e. between juvenile detention and adult prison, I'd be interested to hear what you would suggest.

        •  You really need to get out and talk to some (4+ / 0-)

          15 and 16 year olds if you haven't in a while. They may look big and scary but they do not have the mental capacity of adults, even "young adults". (Young adults are 18, 19 and 20 btw)

          There are experts who have many ideas about more appropriate types of rehabilitation for young offenders (and adult for that matter.)

          But as I said in another comment the extreme solution is enormous and has to do with ending poverty and increasing education.

          The answer is never going to be better prisons, it's how to keep kids out of them.

          I'm not sure where you are seeing compassion for the perpetrators and none for the victim?

          I see some compassion for all. As in this is a fucked up situation, everything about it seems fucked up and every solution we (as in the US) have available seems fucked up.

          Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

          by ZenTrainer on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:55:59 PM PDT

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          •  What kind of solutions exist in other countries? (2+ / 0-)
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            You imply the U.S. is "far behind on the civilized scale."  What do other countries do when three boys rape a child?

            I generally agree with your comment immediately above.  But now that the crime has been committed, how would other places deal with it?  You could put them in a juvenile corrections facility, but what will you do with them when they reach adulthood in a few years.  Do we really want these 30-year-old likely to be convicted rapists in with juveniles in 15 years?  

            •  That's the enormous extreme part of the (1+ / 0-)
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              solution. I say we are far behind on the civilized scale because the US imprisons more people than any other country.

              Commenting on what the prison figures show about U.S. society, King said various social programs, including those dealing with education, poverty, urban development, health care and child care, have failed.

              "There are a number of social programs we have failed to deliver. There are systemic failures going on," he said. "A lot of these people then end up in the criminal justice system."


              several studies argue that male-male and female-female prison rape are quite common and may be the least reported forms of rape.[14][15][16]
              I would think a nice goal would be how to rehabilitate them so they did no more rapes. It seems like the least likely place for that to happen would be in a prison for adults.

              Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

              by ZenTrainer on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:45:41 PM PDT

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