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  •  Very much so. It's one of many reasons (11+ / 0-)

    why I essentially had to freewrite this diary. It's hard to know where to even begin with Latin America except to borrow from Greg Grandin - if historians consider Afghanistan the 'graveyard of empires' then Latin America has certainly been its workshop.

    Thanks for reading!

    You said the air was singing / it's calling you, you don't believe / These things you've never seen / Never heard, never dreamed.

    by CayceP on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:59:04 AM PDT

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    •  and the School of the America's it's Harvard (6+ / 0-)
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      or worse, it's community college.

      keep going with this please...

      whether it was Chile or Argentina, I remember several years ago some German immigrants were arrested, it was found their grand  farm had been used as a torture and detention center..can't remember the name, but Chile. I think.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:45:59 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks - I'll track your farm down (4+ / 0-)
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        for the next installment, and I do plan to discuss the School of the Americas.

        You said the air was singing / it's calling you, you don't believe / These things you've never seen / Never heard, never dreamed.

        by CayceP on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:09:33 PM PDT

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        •  Colonia Dignidad (9+ / 0-)

          In the south of Chile.  Founded by the German pedophile pastor Paul Schafer and his cult like following in the 1960s, and including a good number of former Nazis.  Schafer and his followers were far right, and supported the Pinochet coup, allowing their large estate (a colony of German expatriates with very little contact with the outside world) to be used as a torture and detention site.  In return, Pinochet protected Colonia Dignidad from charges of criminal activity.  The colony was dissolved after the return to democracy in 1990, and Schafer was eventually arrested for child molestation.  But some former members of the colony are still around, and some say, have friends in high places.

          •  Eesh. nt (4+ / 0-)
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            You said the air was singing / it's calling you, you don't believe / These things you've never seen / Never heard, never dreamed.

            by CayceP on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:25:35 PM PDT

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            •  "The Torture Colony" (5+ / 0-)
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              A high degree of ick factor...

              aha, here it is, American Scholar and as I remember a relentlessly insightful article.

              This machine kills Fascists.

              by KenBee on Thu May 23, 2013 at 02:36:40 AM PDT

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              •  Thanks, it helps add to the discussion (4+ / 0-)
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                about the culpability of clergy, which is a bigger issue now because of Pope Francis. Apologists tend to uphold the relative few who didn't comply with the junta.

                You said the air was singing / it's calling you, you don't believe / These things you've never seen / Never heard, never dreamed.

                by CayceP on Thu May 23, 2013 at 04:50:50 AM PDT

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                •  It varied (1+ / 0-)
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                  While there was a broad spectrum in both countries, my understanding is that the Catholic hierarchy in Argentina was much closer to the junta than was the case in Chile, where archbishop Cardinal Raul Silva Enriquez set the tone by criticizing human rights abuses and protecting dissidents.  Exactly what the new pope did during the junta is e subject of much debate.  Some say he handed over leftist priests from his order for execution, others say he merely washed his hands of the matter.  Either way, it's not inspiring.

                  •  I think ultimately that's how that (1+ / 0-)
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                    discussion has to function: no matter what narrative is true, its not a good one, and what that means for the Catholic Church.

                    You said the air was singing / it's calling you, you don't believe / These things you've never seen / Never heard, never dreamed.

                    by CayceP on Thu May 23, 2013 at 03:13:45 PM PDT

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      •  If I recall correctly, School of the Ameicas (0+ / 0-)

        received too much bad press and all training was moved stateside. Ft. Benning, GA maybe?

        Reaganomics noun pl: belief that government is bad, that it can increase revenue by decreasing revenue, and unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources.

        by FrY10cK on Fri May 24, 2013 at 03:08:17 AM PDT

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