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View Diary: NOAA's GOES 13 Satellite Fails; Congressional War on Weather Well Underway (107 comments)

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  •  Is there anything the WH can do to (6+ / 0-)

    mitigate this?

    •  I don't know. (4+ / 0-)
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      This is all money. Congress has the power of the purse.

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      If you say "gullible" real slow, it sounds like "green beans."

      by weatherdude on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:33:07 PM PDT

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      •  Bully pullpit (1+ / 0-)
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        a bit of arm twisting?

        •  Heh. (10+ / 0-)

          For as much of an Obama defender as I am, even I know he doesn't really use the bully pulpit well.

          All we can hope for is that they stop cutting the NWS' funding. The only hope we have is to make as much noise as possible, and not many influential people care that much. It's sad that something as basic as a little sunshine icon with a giant "80°" next to it is so easily overlooked, but will be the first thing affected.

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          If you say "gullible" real slow, it sounds like "green beans."

          by weatherdude on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:40:47 PM PDT

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          •  It is too late (4+ / 0-)
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            It takes multiple years to build, test and launch a satellite of that size and complexity

            •  GOES-R hasn't been killed (yet) (10+ / 0-)

              It's scheduled to launch in October 2015, though there are rumors that the schedule will slip. The GOES-R series satellites are vastly superior to the current GOES satellites in every way (higher resolution, more spectral channels, more frequent images, less "wobble", additional instrumentation). However, it's not at all clear that NWS will be able to disseminate much of the GOES-R data due to deep budget cuts since all of this data will require more network and satellite broadcast bandwidth for distribution. There is hope that the Sandy supplemental funding will allow needed infrastructure to be built out, but that is not a certainty. This all being said, there is still a sizable effort within NWS to update systems, software, and networks for GOES-R and GOES-S.

              GOES-R isn't the only game in town. The NPP polar-orbiting satellite was launched last year, and it produces huge quantities of weather data. Unfortunately, due to budget constraints, NWS is only able to use a tiny amount. It's currently mostly used to improve Alaska coverage since the look angle from the GOES satellites is so low in the northern latitudes that GOES Alaska imagery is only so useful. NPP is in a low (polar) orbit, which means it views the entire globe during the course of a day. It also means that, unlike the geostationary GOES satellites, it doesn't get a constant view of the US.

    •  In a word, no. (11+ / 0-)

      It takes time to build a satellite.  Something needed to be done about 8 years ago to be on time.  GOES-14 was an on orbit spare, so it is available.  But if we lose any of the 3 mentioned, it is not until 2015 that we get the next one.

      •  Yeah, but the Repubs LOVE the sequester. (10+ / 0-)

        They will NEVER give it up. It gets them exactly what they so desperately want: a federal government that doesn't work, and the opportunity to privatize EVERYTHING.

        And it makes the stupid even angrier at government, and when the stupid are angry at government, Republicans always get elected.

        Which is why no Dem should vote for any piecemeal fix, like the FAA patch. And the President should veto every single one of these that comes forward.

        But of course that would take political courage. So it will never happen.

        I keep saying it, but allowing the sequester to go forward was the single STUPIDEST act that Dems have committed in recent memory.

    •  Obama could go take a guided tour of a NOAA office (5+ / 0-)
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      with all kinds of cameras following him, and get all the gov't people who work there to explain what they do and for whom. THAT is an Obama show I would watch.

    •  BTW, hope is not completely lost (3+ / 0-)
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      They're still working on GOES-13. Per the latest update this morning:

      Update#14: GOES-13 has been placed into storage mode while the anomaly is investigated.  There is no new information or estimated return to service at this time.

      GOES-14 direct readout services (SAR, DCS, etc) are operational; payload activation is complete and recovery mode imaging commenced at approximately 0800 UTC May 23, 2013. Until recovery mode is complete, the imagery should not be considered within normal tolerance for navigation. Transition to the normal routine schedule should take place at approximately 1600 UTC on May 23, 2013. RSO scheduling will become available at 1200 UTC on May 24, 2013. The ingest and distribution channels of GOES-East data have not been changed, so the satepsdist ADDE servers are automatically receiving GOES-14 data. Regarding GOES-East GVAR, users will need to repoint their antennas to GOES-14 at 105 degrees West in order to receive the GOES-14 GVAR broadcast data stream. GOES-14 GVAR will not be transmitted through GOES-13 channels while GOES-13 recovery efforts continue. Since the recovery schedule is presently unknown, users should consider their near-term needs against the efforts required to repoint to GOES-14.

      GOES-15 (West) remains in full disk mode and will continue in that schedule until further notice.

      They're suggesting to organizations that get feeds directly from the GOES satellites (instead of rebroadcasts such as NOAAPORT) that they might want to consider holding off repointing their dishes to GOES-14 just yet because GOES-13 could still come back to life. GOES-13 is still controllable, it's just not able to produce any imagery or soundings at this time.

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