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  •  I have one question (0+ / 0-)

    Without endorsing either of these organizations, I would just like to know whether you have a proposal for how non-Muslim Brits should address the problem of growing Islamic extremism in the UK? The more I've read about what's going on over there, the more shocked I've been. Granted that the EDL has some extremist members, from what I've seen it also has a lot of "regular folks" who just want British politicians to pay attention to the problem of growing Islamic supremacism in working-class areas of England. If we liberals don't address the legitimate concerns of working class people whose lives are being turned upside down, what kind of liberals are we?

    To put it another way, there genuinely is a problem with large numbers of Islamists -- Muslims who believe that they're above the law, who are doing things like running sex slavery gangs specifically targeting white girls, advocating for the overthrow of the British government, and so forth. Though we should and do abhor white supremacism, what do you suggest should be done about Islamic supremacism?

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    by Noisy Democrat on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:47:01 PM PDT

    •  I wouldn't be concerned about the Brits (9+ / 0-)

      being able to apply the rule of law. Common law in the UK is the basis for American common law. Their legal traditions are as strong as they have ever been.

      The so called "Sharia Courts" that people worry about have no legal standing, nor will they ever. Empowering moderate Muslims to educate their own people about the illegality of such courts will undermine their authority.

      Islamic Extremists in Britain can be dealt with appropriately under the current legal system, without much difficulty.

      Focusing on education and economic relief will prevent further radicalization, and there are many Islamic organizations that are just as threatened by the radicals as the rest of British society.

      Seeking out the causes of extremism, poverty and a lack of education, are the main solution.

      In general, British Muslims are Brits first, which is why so many of them are active in the democratic process, in the Labour party, and work for the police forces.

      Engaging with the Muslim community and the majority of ordinary British Muslims who want to live in a plural society is the solution. There are things like community policing that work on that front.

      So, too, is making sure that Muslims have their voices heard.

      Take the Example of the Scottish National Party. Humza Yousaf, who is a few months younger than I am, is a Member of the Scottish National Party, and part of the Scottish Government. He is being personally mentored by Alex Salmond, and has been made point man on cultural issues that affect people of color.

      Keep in mind that in Scotland, Muslims represent .6% of the population. Point six. That is not a typo. Scotland is 97.99% white, and they still find the time and positions to make sure that they are being inclusive on the governmental level.

      That is not to say that Racism doesn't exist in Scotland. That is not true. But they're working very hard on making sure that it doesn't. And the Muslim population sees that. The unity there has led to things like this iconic image:

      The Demonization we see from the EDL and the BNP will only lead to more radicalization, not less. Protesting the building of new mosques, as if all Muslims are radicals, will only lead to more radicalization.

      Recognizing that extremists are the exception, not the rule, is how they can fix this.

      And there are a great many Brits working very hard to do that.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 03:08:02 PM PDT

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      •  in immigrant ghettos, sharia courts have power (0+ / 0-)

        The sharia courts set up in Muslim ghettos may not have any legal standing under British, French, etc. law, but in the context of the insular and reactionary communities in which they operate, they have enormous power regardless.

        If a sharia court permits, compels, or forbids someone to do something - purdah, forced marriage, honor killings, cultural isolationism, jihad, etc. - that someone is going to do it even if it's illegal under the law of the land ... because otherwise they're risking rejection from their own community, which in practice is their only means of support.

        And when these individuals end up in trouble with the authorities and at odds with the majority culture, the ghetto rises up with one voice and cries oppression.

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