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  •  This is another lie. (9+ / 1-)
    Let's say we have some non-Muslims in Britain who don't want to live under sharia law
    Sharia Law does not have, and never will have, legal status in Britain. Sharia Law courts are set up by muslim communities for Muslims to willingly participate in. They have absolutely no power, except for the power they are given by the right-wing Muslims who obey them.

    They are no different from the protestant church courts set up to handle violations of church doctrine. Those exist in Catholicism, and every single mainline protestant denomination, including the Anglican church.

    They have NO legal authority, whatsoever.

    This is a red herring.

    Sharia Law will never, EVER, have legal standing in Britain. It is constitutionally impossible.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

    by OllieGarkey on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:20 PM PDT

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    •  I didn't lie (0+ / 0-)

      I said that there are non-Muslims who are worried about the groups who say that they plan to impose sharia in the future. So it sounds like your answer would be to tell them just not to worry about it. OK.

      Please visit: http://www.jkmediasource.org

      by Noisy Democrat on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 08:32:18 PM PDT

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      •  That's the response of the vast majority of the (9+ / 0-)

        British public. The EDL is scaring the crap out of working class people over something that is absolutely not an issue. They're stirring up violence and hatred, over threats that don't exist.

        And another thing, they don't talk about "Defending" British culture.

        They talk about "preserving" it, as if the culture which spawned Shakespeare, Wesley, Orwell, and Tolkien needed some kind of protection!

        As if the English language wasn't the lifeblood of international commerce, spoken by billions!

        They're not interested in preserving English culture! They're interested in preserving England's whiteness.

        Nothing more, nothing less. And your counter arguments are absurd.

        I know I'm getting snarky here, but what you're saying is absurd.

        Saying that the EDL is some decent organization is like saying

        "Sure there are a couple of extreme members, but at their core, the KKK is just strongly opposed to affirmative action, unchecked immigration and for securing a future for their children. Which are noble endeavors!"

        These people firebomb mosques. They lie.

        The enemy of militant political Islam is not necessarily your friend, no matter how much you hate them.

        These people are doing the same thing Michelle Bachman does! They're making up bullshit about elected british pols who happen to be muslim, and accusing them of membership in the Muslim Brotherhood.

        Bachman accused Keith Ellison of being Muslim Brotherhood. Keith Ellison, the chairman of the Progressive Congressional Caucus.

        It's a lie.

        And you keep saying these things that are completely untrue.

        You have been lied to. You're falling for their propaganda.

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

        by OllieGarkey on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26:13 PM PDT

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    •  Why are you calling him a liar? (1+ / 0-)
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      An unnecessary insult, since the comment was essentially trying to describe people's very real fears. The legal probability is irrelevant to the fact that people do in fact have these fears.

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:41:45 AM PDT

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      •  I am not calling him a Liar. (6+ / 0-)

        I am calling the statement a lie.

        They are being lied to. I believe that he was being lied to. Just like michelle bachman lied when she said that Kieth Ellison was a member of the Muslim Brotherood.

        I said that the statement itself was a lie. I did not call Noisy Democrat a liar. I know that he believes what he's saying. He is not intentionally lying to anyone, and I don't think that he would, which is why I am engaging with him.

        If I thought he wasn't being honest, I would not have spent so much time continuing this conversation.

        I could have definitely phrased that better, though. Being bombastic and subtle at the same time is not an effective way to communicate.

        Thank you, though, for trying to make sure that our discourse stays civil.

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

        by OllieGarkey on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:48:26 AM PDT

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