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    scuttlebutt withing my org is that, in addition to curtailing the use of drones, he'll lift ban on transfers to Yemen, appoint a person to head effort to close Gitmo, and - this would be big, likely bad news if true -- work with Congress to "refine" AUMF.

    •  That's the whole reason (5+ / 0-)

      for this speech, iMHO. The Gitmo good news will mask it.

      Forever War will be declared with the new permanent AUMF, detatching the AUMF from 9/11, and adding something like "associated forces" or "adherents" to the language so our presidents can wage war anywhere on the globe, kill anyone they want, as long as they decide (currently with no review) that they are terrorists who pose some kind of threat to us.  They changed the definition of "imminent" by adding "continuing" to it, and it's clear that imminent doesn't mean imminent.  This has all been building and now the opportunity has presented itself after the Boston bombings and the need to do something about Gitmo.

      That's my prediction.  But the new AUMF is the big one.  Far from repealing it or declaring an end to the war on terror, he's expanding it and extending it.

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:30:11 AM PDT

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      •  In fact, if the (5+ / 0-)

        reports I'm getting are accurate, he's going to say some good things -- that he wants to eventually repeal the AUMF and end the war. Saying and doing are very different of course, but what he'll say today will be better than anything he's ever said before on this topic, it seems. FWTW.

        •  Also hearing that the (4+ / 0-)

          AUMF part of the speech is still being written, so.

          •  Obviously, that would be great (0+ / 0-)

            I'll pull some links together from some recent hearings, speeches, articles that lead me to believe that repealing AUMF is the last thing that is on the slate.  I know that you know the technicalities about "associated forces" clause and how that is not in the original AUMF.  

            Without a modified AUMF this administrations and future presidents cannot continue the covert wars that they've made clear are part of their long term strategy.  Of course the speech is over now so we know that he indicated that this is a long term battle while at the same time, in an Orwellian way, says that endless war is a bad thing.  And we won't know the specifics for a while yet. Then there are the Article 2 authorities that are assumed and never talked about -- but I don't think that this president will rely on those alone.  It's clear that he has been codifying the things that Bush and Cheney did in secret, sometimes without any authority (valid or not, written authority permission slips from their lawyers, or laws written by Congress).

            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Thu May 23, 2013 at 01:41:15 PM PDT

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            •  One link (0+ / 0-)

              involving the AUMF review hearing last week. They were talking 10-20 years more of AUMF type authorizations needed for the current military strategy and plans.

              The AUMF and America’s Forever War

              See below for the most important and alarming sections from Thursday’s Senate Armed Services Hearing with senior civilian and military officials on the Pentagon’s interpretation of legal authorities for conducting counterterrorism operations. The hearing, “The Law of Armed Conflict, and the Use of Military Force, and the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force,” contained several revelations these Pentagon officials that suggest that President Obama’s repeated claim that “the tide of war is receding” is not the operative guidance for the U.S. military. The four witnesses were: Michael Sheehan, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low-Intensity Conflict; Acting Defense General Counsel Robert Taylor; Maj. Gen. Michael Nagata, Deputy Director for Special Operations/Counterterrorism, J-37, Joint Staff; Brig. Gen. Richard Gross, Legal Counsel, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

              "Justice is a commodity"

              by joanneleon on Thu May 23, 2013 at 04:41:31 PM PDT

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      •  Not "threat to us." Threat to a much uglier cate- (3+ / 0-)

        gory, "US interests." Those who apologize for the Imperial presidency and shit like the AUMF love that nice squishy bullshit phrase "national interest." It's like really thick lipstick, that does so good a job of transforming a pig into a pretty girl. "National interest" being supopsedly something like this:

        The national interest, often referred to by the French expression raison d'État (English: reason of the State), is a country's goals and ambitions whether economic, military, or cultural. The concept is an important one in international relations where pursuit of the national interest is the foundation of the realist school.

        Anyone here think it is possible to actually identify a "national interest" being advanced or served or serviced by the MiloMinderbinderism that is "our policy" in the great wider world? There really is no honest way to personify/reify/hypostatize "the US" any more, since it sure looks like "corporate interests" own the whole freakin' thing. So how the hell can the dorks and wonks who natter about "the national interest" be taken in any way seriously? It's all just cover for extending the Ownership Society's, well, ownership. Of everything. Coupled with the transfer of huge amounts of wealth to the MIC with all that initiates and sustains.

        "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

        by jm214 on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:54:50 AM PDT

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    •  The Gitmo champion (2+ / 0-)
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      is the last thing Hillary wrote about before she left State.  She recommended appointing someone.   It didn't look like it was going to happen because right after that the guy who was working on Gitmo was transferred. But maybe they transferred him because someone else was coming in.

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:33:26 AM PDT

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    •  really? (4+ / 0-)

      I will have to see that to believe it.


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      by Lady Libertine on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:33:38 AM PDT

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