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  •  So by that logic he should pass Medicare for All (3+ / 0-)
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    that's supported by two-thirds of the country instead of his heritage foundation concocted plan that subsidized the health insurance industryf, right? Or shouldn't he have ended the war in Afghanistan years ago since that's when public opinion was dead set against it?

    Instead of supporting President Obama this argument portrays him in the worst possible light. As a weak leader whose decisions are not based in an intelligent examination of the facts, but instead as someone is willing to sacrifice those beliefs out of fear of going against public opinion.

    As Van Jones explained, the President already revealed his true beliefs when he spoke out against climate change in his second inaugural address. Now it's time for him to act in accordance with them, or not.

    "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

    by Jason Hackman on Thu May 30, 2013 at 02:04:45 PM PDT

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    •  Tell me again how he can pass laws by decree. (3+ / 0-)
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      •  All he needs is public opinion to pass laws. (1+ / 0-)
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        That was the premise of sebastianguy99's comment. Obama can only accomplish something with the help of public opinion. Except when he doesn't. As was the case with the ACA that to this day only has the support of one third of the country.

        If public opinion demands that he build the KXL Pipeline he must give in to the polls as he always does. Except when he doesn't. As was the case when he rejected Medicare for All as a viable healthcare option even though it had the support of 2/3rd's of Americans.

        You can see that the claim that the President requires public opinion to do anything is mistaken. President Obama will make his choice one way or the other and he'll own it. You can't blame that on the polls or the failure of activists to turn public opinion around because he has proved many times that those things are not the determining factors in his final decision.

        "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

        by Jason Hackman on Thu May 30, 2013 at 04:14:34 PM PDT

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        •  He rejected it b/c it had no chance of passage. (0+ / 0-)

          Even a modest Medicare extension was killed by Lieberman.

          •  Like gun control? (0+ / 0-)

            Popular with no chance of passing. Gun control, he fights for until it sinks his approval rating. Medicare for all, he doesn't even bring up for debate.

            As I said, he makes his choice regardless of the popularity of the issue. To say Obama's decision on keystone is tied to public opinion and he's not responsible for making the decision to approve it is just lying to yourself. The president is willing to do unpopular things if he feels personally invested in it.

            "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

            by Jason Hackman on Fri May 31, 2013 at 01:10:30 PM PDT

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            •  When did it sink his approval rating? (0+ / 0-)

              Healthcare reform passed, gun control didn't. Maybe it wasn't the greatest bill ever but it passed. Pushing solutions that had no chance of passing would have surely killed it. I never said that people are not responsible for their own decisions. But it is important to note that certain things that are considered blindingly obvious by many people (e.g. Keystone needs to be rejected) are actually quite unpopular.

              •  KXL doesn't require congressional votes (0+ / 0-)

                unlike gun control and healthcare so public opinion is really required here. I really don't get this line of reasoning. He should cave to public opinion, because for some unexplainable reason it's necessary to stand up for his own convictions in this case, where it hasn't been necessary (or completely ignored) in many others. Got it. Uh, wait.... no.

                Why don't you just admit this is a b.s. attempt to pre-emptively shield Obama from what undoubtedly will be an unpopular decision if he makes it? Because, let's face it, if he's jerked around on this for well over a year and still decides to approve KXL it'll piss progressives off in a big way that no amount of shielding will protect him from.

                "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

                by Jason Hackman on Sat Jun 01, 2013 at 02:02:45 AM PDT

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      •  So public opinion doesn't count? (1+ / 0-)
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        He is completely fine going against public opinion when he needs to go to the center. When it comes to saving the planet not so much.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Thu May 30, 2013 at 04:37:03 PM PDT

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        •  If healthcare decision was completely up to (0+ / 0-)

          him, you would have been right. But we know it's not the case which is my point. And we don't know how he's going to decide on Keystone.

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