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  •  Tax bullets ... not a great idea. (7+ / 0-)

    In general I don't see "registration" of arms or owners as a bad thing.  Nor do I see background checks and waiting periods as "punishing" the law abiding and responsible.

    The madmen and criminals who make it a really good idea to enact some interstate arms control measures with lots of nasty sharp teeth don't really use a lot of bullets.  And the suicides, of course, only use one at a time.

    However, the law abiding responsible vast majority of shooters and hunters DO burn a lot of ammunition -- which ought to make Remington Arms and the NRA happy and content.

    There were  two reasons I gave up shooting myself:  First I wasn't really all that good.  Second: in order to GET halfway good I'd need to burn a few hundred rounds  in practice a month -- minimum.

    If that sounds like a LOT ... professional exhibition shooters run through a hundred THOUSAND round in a year.

    And the highly licensed and background checked automatic weapons fanciers -- I couldn't even guess.

    These people are NOT the problem.  In general long guns and their owners are not the problem.  But these are the "gunners" who may not vote on any other issue but who WILL come to the polls to  keep their hobby as hassle-free and affordable as humanly possible.

    I don't see getting THEM all riled up and motivated over a scheme that might raise some Revenue (not a thing gunners universally support) ... but will NOT improve the public safety situation one little bit.

    The problem with the status quo is the guy for whom a handgun is "tool  of trade"  and whose trade is getting unarmed people to give him their cars, money, jewels, etc.

    Not surprisingly, these guys don't spend a lot of time at the practice range, and their standard of marksmanship isn't very high.  

    But then, it doesn't have to be.

    •  I agree that it is not a way to directly address (4+ / 0-)

      the gun carnage, but just like with tobacco it would affect how expensive it is to buy the ammo and at some tax point it will reduce the amount of bullets purchased, which will indirectly reduce the number of bullets put into people.

      As far as suicides taking only one bullet, that may be the case in many/most suicides, but with Adam Lanza it took 154 bullets (plus the one he used to kill his mom).

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Thu May 30, 2013 at 01:02:55 PM PDT

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      •  I get it: It's YOUR idea, and you love it (4+ / 0-)

        But the tobacco analogy really doesn't work:

        The more people who smoke, the more people get sick and the numbers are immense.

         It is believed  (on rather thin evidence) that raising the tobacco tax motivates some people to quit and others not to start in the first place.  

        Whether or they modify behavior,  "sin taxes" are very traditional  in this country -- and therefore are passed by legislatures and tolerated by citizens

        In practice, it has taken over 50 years of classroom lessons, physicians' lectures  and public service advertising,  in addition to rising prices, to convince a strong majority of Americans  that smoking tobacco is NOT the hallmark of adulthood/manhood/sophistication.  

        My "take" is that the peer pressure that established cigarette smoking as the "done thing" between 1920 and 1980-something now discourages it as an expensive, ill-smelling habit that spoils the furniture.

        It will be hard to "prove" that "fewer people using firearms legally and responsibly will  equate to fewer people people using firearms criminally and crazily.  Probably because ... it WON'T.

        Certainly closing all the gun shop and confiscating all the guns might result in crime statistics of a more European variety.  But by the time the Political Will for THAT comes to be,  the Messiah will have already come ... judged the living and the dead ... remade the World -- and forgiven the Lost and the Fallen.  (I ain't holdin' my breath.)

        The  process of  "Guns are Bad" public education (analogous to the past 50 years' anti-smoking propaganda)  is in embryonic form, at best.

        Opposing it is a well funded, well organized grass roots movement in support of a multi-BILLION dollar industry that believes to the very depth of their beings that "Guns are Patriotic/Masculine/Necessary/Protected by the Consitution"  

        ... and it's not as if those advocating domestic arms limitation measures have gotten much past "Guns, in the wrong hands,  are sometimes dangerous."

    •  I'm not much of a fan of taxing either... (4+ / 0-)

      background checks for ammo, powder and primers would be better.


      We are not broke, we are being robbed.

      by Glen The Plumber on Thu May 30, 2013 at 01:13:11 PM PDT

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    •  So why couldn't those bullets purchased and (3+ / 0-)

      used at the practice range be taxed less.

      The home bullets are the most worrisome. You know the ones people forget all about. The ones that don't permit firefighters to enter the building.

      Here's the first one I grabbed. But this does happen frequently.

      Get the 'oopsie' out of 'keep and bear arms' see GunFAIL and Gun Crazy diaries weekly.

      by 88kathy on Thu May 30, 2013 at 01:18:16 PM PDT

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      •  Better yet, have a refund for expended bullets (1+ / 0-)
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        that did not strike anyone!  Just bring in the shell casings and a clean criminal record that shows you haven't shot anyone.  It'd be the bottle bill for bullets!

        Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

        by DefendOurConstitution on Thu May 30, 2013 at 01:30:25 PM PDT

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    •  PS thank God it's not the vast majority we are (3+ / 0-)

      trying to control. The small minority do enough damage.

      Get the 'oopsie' out of 'keep and bear arms' see GunFAIL and Gun Crazy diaries weekly.

      by 88kathy on Thu May 30, 2013 at 01:21:43 PM PDT

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