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  •  Alex: the question is why do they lie for the evil (14+ / 0-)

    1%. That's why journalism in "America" sucks.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 03:06:02 PM PDT

    •  1. They're Corporations 2. they're Sponsored By (12+ / 0-)

      corporations. 3. They have their own private Bill of Rights freedom to promote their interests.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 03:54:13 PM PDT

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    •  Your post illustrates why this diary is wrong, too (3+ / 0-)
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      And I say that with the utmost respect.

      Unfortunately, a2nite, you, like the diarist, forget to thoroughly analyze who "they" are. Instead, you make this humongous logical leap between corporate owners and individual journalists which exists on the same level as "all journalists are liberals"--in other words, it does NOT exist.

      In order for the diarist's claims to be valid, there must be evidence of collusion, either between the journalists and their corporate slave masters or between the editors who determine the style and content of journalists' stories OR the hiring managers who, through the hiring and firing process, choose the skill and drive (or lack thereof) of the journalists themselves.

      AND THEN to complete the proof, you would have to account for why no one has discovered such collusion and/or why no one has squealed about it.

      I wrote my dissertation on media bias and have been an academic for 25 years. I have contributed to producing the careers of journalists (not in a heralded way, just the ordinary way) and I can tell you that they do not leave universities as "corporate shills." So I would like to know where you, a2nite, and the diarist think they come from. How do they become the "lie for the evil" beings you think they are?

      Please don't think, however, that I disagree with the results of however the media has become so incompetent. I happen to think (without evidence) that traits like bravery, originality, honesty, and curiosity are somehow destroyed or weeded out by the system that advances journalists' careers, leaving us with empty-minded, easily satisfied, go-along-to-get-along journalists getting the most exposure (best example: David Gregory).

      Do you get what I mean? If corporations are controlling journalists directly, as your words imply, where are the whistleblowers? That can't possibly be kept a secret. I know because my students would have long since told me about it. Moreover, if you just lap up what this diarist has said without applying any critical thought to it (because you just like the conclusions it draws--I do, too, but "liking" is not proving), then you exhibit the same faults that you are seeing in journalists: an acceptance of facts that are not in evidence.

      IMO, someone needs to connect the dots or the corporate takeover meme is little more than another conspiracy theory.

      It is ignorance which is hopeless.

      by IdeaTipper on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 04:40:09 PM PDT

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      •  my hypothesis has always been that the media (8+ / 0-)

        exist solely and only to sell airtime. They don't give a flying fig what is in their news stories, as long as it entices people to watch the corn flakes commercials. Fox may be a bit of an exception because of the peculiarities of its owner, but even THEY made their market as a network through shows like "Married With Children"--shows that brought ratings. MSNBC went "liberal" because its previous programming was bombing in the ratings--it tried something else, it happened to work, so they stuck with it. If they could compete successfully with Fox by going full-out fascist, I have no doubt they'd do a complete 180 in seconds and be just as happy with it.

        That's also why I have always thought that all the rightwing media clowns--Rush, Coulter, Malkin-- are just poseurs and performers. None of them actually believe anything they are spouting. They simply give their audience what it wants, and laugh at them all the way to the bank.

      •  Well, here's some whistleblowers: (5+ / 0-)

        Catch St. Louis' progressive talk show, The Murdock Report, every Tuesday @ noon! Stream or download it: I do the twit thing too @SmokinJoesTruth

        by Da Rat Bastid on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 05:44:03 PM PDT

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      •  Eric Alterman "What Liberal Media" (1+ / 0-)
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        has shown with facts the news media to be biased to the right. I believe you are not doing your job to put  fact based journalists on the street.

        old, tired, poor, unemployed, sick of republicans screwing us over.

        by MDhome on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:20:02 AM PDT

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      •  Where are the whistleblowers? (3+ / 0-)
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        You're an academic? In the U.S.?

        You've never heard of Bill Mahr, Phil Donohue, Dan Rather, Bill Moyers, Arnie Arneson (local New England journalist) or others that were fired for asking questions their corporate masters were not comfortable with?

        Reaganomics noun pl: belief that government is bad, that it can increase revenue by decreasing revenue, and unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources.

        by FrY10cK on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:38:02 AM PDT

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      •  This is closer than the OP but wrong, too (0+ / 0-)

        There is no collusion between owners and reporters. There is collusion between owners and the opinion page, but there is no collusion between the newsroom and the opinion page. The reporters answer to the ME and the ed writers report to the...

        Oh, wait... I'm talking about newspapers. You know, the place were actual reporters work. The few of them left. Remember reporters? They're the people who go out and talk to people and do research and stuff and then write stories. Then someone on-line or on the radio or the teevee reads the stories and then makes other stories out of them. They call that REAX in the news business, but you might just know it as spin.

        Television doesn't hire reporters. They have stand-ups who go to news conferences. Sometimes they go stand on board walks during storms and get wet. But that's as close to actual reporting as they get. Bloggers read the stories and then give their opinions. Some bloggers actually report and most of those are employed by print publications. You know, like Glenn Greenwald or Greg Sargent. But most bloggers are actually op-ed writers without paychecks. Radio reads the stories and then gives their opinion, the crazier the better. Then you have the aggregators who take the stories the reporters are paid to write and "publish" them without paying the reporters.

        The occupational outlook handbook says don't go to journalism school. There will be 8%!!!! fewer print reporting jobs next year. And it's not going to get better.

        Eight percent fewer reporters. Instead go get a communications or mass media degree and get a pretty face and go work on the TeeVee where you can read the stories on the air that were written by an ever smaller pool of reporters.

        I wonder if the paywalls going up left and right are going to save journalism... or is that just the sound of the wheelhouse going under.

        You know, you don't need collusion to make a reporter conservative or just stupidly moderate. All you need to do is pay them enough so they can afford a German car. They'll forget what it's like out there in realsville. They'll buy million dollar condos in D.C., right Matt? And then all the problems they write about will be somebody else's.

        So, it's a lot of things.

        "It is in the shelter of each other that the people live." -- Irish Proverb

        by Our Man in Twisp on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 02:07:28 PM PDT

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    •  The evil 1% owns them. (7+ / 0-)

      if they don't lie for them, they get fired and replaced.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 09:22:33 PM PDT

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