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  •  and the voice recording of trayvon begging for (3+ / 0-)
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    his life?  where does this come into your analysis?

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    by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:09:57 PM PDT

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    •  IIRC that's disputed... (2+ / 0-)
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      IIRC that may well be Zimmerman's voice yelling for help. I'd love to be wrong about the evidence on that, but I don't think I am.

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      by HeyMikey on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:49:17 PM PDT

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      •  no, you're right. one expert say it isn't trayvon (1+ / 0-)
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        that it's george begging for his life, and another expert, and the rest of the world who's heard it, including sabryna fulton who burst into tears when she heard it, says it's trayvon and couldn't possibly be the only man present with a gun begging for his life.  

        Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with a-holes - William Gibson. (-9.75 / -9.05)

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:15:38 PM PDT

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    •  "Experts" don't agree on that at all (2+ / 0-)
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      Seems that 'evidence' is a coin toss on what expert(s) the jurors choose to believe.

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      by Catte Nappe on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:15:55 PM PDT

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      •  Certain methodologies for voice recognition (2+ / 0-)
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        and speech recognition are accepted by the scientific community and are both widely used, not only in forensics but in commercial applications. Siri is using speech recognition. Voice recognition is used as a security system for securing access to places or information, where a 5 % false positive or false negative is considered acceptable.

        The frye hearings were a masturbatory ego festival for scientists, where they got to insult their collegues and make statements about how the methodologies "ought" to be applied, not about the validity of the methodologies.

        If your standard is 100% positive recognition of every word spoken, you can accuse your collegues for using a substandard sample. But for forensic purposes, that is not necessary. If the sample allows recognition of 50% of the words spoken in a forensic setting, that is valuable information.

        Same for voice recognition. A short sample or one of less than perfect quality, may be not good enough for a security system to establish if the person speaking should be given access to a place or data. But in a forensic setting where the voice heard on the sample, only needs to be matched to 2 known voices, a 90 % match with one of the known persons and 70 % non match for the other, is significant.
        I made those numbers up to make my point, but those were the arguments made during the hearing, if you get passed all the bullshit.

    •  Separate experts have different opinions on that. (1+ / 0-)
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      •  you're right, one expert says it not trayvon, (1+ / 0-)
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        that it's george begging for his life, and another expert, and the rest of the world who's heard it, including sabryna fulton who burst into tears when she heard it, says it's trayvon and couldn't possibly be the only man present with a gun begging for his life

        Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with a-holes - William Gibson. (-9.75 / -9.05)

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:16:52 PM PDT

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    •  More like screams (2+ / 0-)
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      Does anyone know if Zimmerman provided a voice sample of himself screaming for comparison to what was recorded?

      I think that what we'll see is testimony by experts on each side, and by parents on each side, about whose voice it is.

      And then toward the end of the prosecution's case, they'll play the entire tape for the jury, and have them listen as the screaming goes on and on. The witnesses at the time described how upsetting it was to listen to what seemed like an unending anguished scream.

      And then the jury will make a decision, having heard the screaming and heard the witnesses.

      If they think, by then, that Zimmerman lies about everything, they'll probably conclude it was Trayvon's voice.

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