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  •  We'll see. (3+ / 0-)
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    Demeter Rising, libnewsie, ladybug53

    You seem to be more familiar with the evidence than I am. But I expect:

    * Zimmerman will have some story to tell the jury that establishes (if believed) the elements of self-defense under Florida law.

    * There will be no direct eyewitness to contradict what Zimmerman says.

    If I'm right about those two things, then there is a significant possibility the jury will find reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt = acquittal.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:28:23 PM PDT

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    •  What about credibility? (8+ / 0-)

      I agree that we will have to see. Juries can be unpredictable.

      But while there's no eyewitness to contradict what Zimmerman says, there's also no eyewitness to support what he says. And given Zimmerman's lack of credibility and generally fantastic narrative, I don't think his word will be enough.

      Recall the recent notorious case of Jodi Arias. She too claimed self-defense and there were no witnesses to say otherwise. She claimed she dropped the victim's camera, a clumsy act that so enraged the victim that he charged at her like a linebacker, leaving her with no choice but to reach for a gun that was on a shelf eight feet from the floor and shoot him.

      After that, she claimed, her pent-up PTSD from his ongoing abuse triggered a frenzy in which she took a knife and stabbed him multiple times after he was dead.

      There was no witness to say it happened otherwise, but her multiple lies, and the fact that the victim had defensive knife wounds on his hands and arms, led the jury to disbelieve her.

      In Zimmerman's case, the trivial nature of the injuries is very strong evidence that he did not receive any kind of a beating.

      Like I tell people, this is a beating but this is not a beating.

      •  We'll see what we see. (2+ / 0-)
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        Tonedevil, ladybug53

        My best friend is a judge. He's told me about some of the crazy defense stories that some juries end up buying.

        This is not a yes-no question. It's a bell-curve question. What are the odds the jury will convict? Even if the odds are 1,000-to-1 in favor of conviction, Zimmerman might end up with that 1 jury in 1,000.

        Somebody will end up with that jury. Might be Zimmerman.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 09:16:29 PM PDT

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    •  Stories he told after arrest (4+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, amsterdam, libnewsie, ladybug53

      Zimmerman has been telling stories about what happened, and it sounds like he was making up a lot of stuff that didn't happen. That's what some people do when they're convinced they can talk their way out of trouble.

      If he retracts those stories now, he's clearly somebody who lies. If he doesn't, then the other evidence can be compared to his story--and I don't think it will line up.

      He was a strange adult male, armed, in pursuit of a teenager and in a nasty frame of mind.

      I don't think Trayvon hit him--if he had, I think there would be some DNA or blood on Trayvon's clothing or under his fingernails--but I wouldn't fault any teenager for trying to get out of the clutches of an angry armed stranger.

      Zimmerman has probably long believed that there won't be a lick of evidence except for the story he spins.

      Soon we'll know.

      •  I believe GZ's memories are scrambled (0+ / 0-)

        because he's unable to take responsibility. It's so important to him that it's Not His Fault that he's going to remember it the way he needs to he can claim he's the victim. Makes me ill to think about it, he's such a horrible coward.

        Giving birth (giving life) should be a gift not an obligation or women and poor people are 2nd class by definition

        by julifolo on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:33:58 AM PDT

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