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  •  What saddens me most... (7+ / 0-)

    is the way this flip/flop will be used against democrats and liberals who protest the next time a GOP administration runs roughshod over our constitutional rights.

    We'll be dismissed as partisan hacks. This goofy approach implicates us all.
    Hell, maybe that's the genius of what the pro-spying wing of the party is doing.


    •  in the '80s (4+ / 0-)
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      Blicero, jennybravo, dclawyer06, pgm 01

      some republicans were calling environmentalists "terrorists." this is fun.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:52:34 AM PDT

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      •  I think of all the many outrages... (3+ / 0-)

        and let-downs(in recent years) none frighten me more than this surveillance apparatus. In time, it's real powers will be used not to react to events but to determine and shape them.

        There was discussion in OPOLs diary of the use of MLK and the wiretapping Hoover did to intimidate and marginalize him. I wonder if Dr. King could rise to prominence in a society in which the powerful have tools as powerful as those now in the hands of the NSA?

        Greatest weapon in the history of mankind, I tell ya.
        Oh well, cheers!

        •  That's a little different, isn't it? (1+ / 0-)
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          It's one thing to target an individual citizen for their political activities and something a bit different when the search is conducted on everyone. It would be like only searching people at the airport who looked like they might be Libertarians. The TSA searches everyone who wants to fly. The government wants to search everyone who sends an email. What's the difference exactly? Why should the government assume that I mean to do harm to an aircraft? Isn't that a very intrusive dragnet? And if I have rights under the 2nd Amendment, why can't I take a gun onto a plane? Pretty obvious answer, right? But the government's argument might be that information is a gun in today's world. Hackers can send information that destroys a power plant or turns off all of the traffic lights in NYC. By searching everyone one, the government serves the rights of its citizens by protecting them. They might argue that information was a fundamentally different thing in the 18th Century, just as a musket is not an assault weapon. People in the 18th Century had an expectation of remaining in possession of their personal papers. It might be argued that, when you send an email through half a dozen servers to a friend overseas, you have no expectation of privacy.

          Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

          by Anne Elk on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:44:39 PM PDT

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    •  Obviously (0+ / 0-)

      you aren't part of the "we" so I wouldn't really sweat it.


      by otto on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:59:27 PM PDT

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