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  •  I thought (0+ / 0-)

    the big concern was the government having these phone numbers, etc. because of the power it wields.  We all know the phone companies and internet providers have it all.  The argument seems to be that these private companies can't hurt us and the government can.  

    I'm one of those people who figure if the government has my financial info and actually goes through it, I'm not that worried that it has access to the phone numbers I've called, especially since the government needs a court order to listen in my calls.

    Be well, ~*-:¦:-jennybravo-:¦:-*~

    by jennybravo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:56:25 AM PDT

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    •  *sigh* Maybe you shouldn't be commenting (4+ / 0-)
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      on these things. Seems to be a bit above your pay grade.

      I don't personally give two fucks if Facebook sells my likes or whatever.

      I care if someone's buddy over at SAIC puts someone on a list because he heard them mouthing off about single payer health at a protest.

      But I wouldn't expect you to understand the ramifications of all this stuff.

      •  I truly don't understand (0+ / 0-)

        the concern or may be "connection" is the word I want, between protests and the phone number records or data mining.  Were the phone calls from the protests recorded or examined? Isn't a court order needed to do this?  Can someone explain this? Is there something I'm missing.

        Please note that I do not support the treatment of the OWS protestors by the police and government.

        Be well, ~*-:¦:-jennybravo-:¦:-*~

        by jennybravo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:16:02 PM PDT

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        •  You can discuss your financial info with the IRS. (1+ / 0-)
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          But you cannot discuss your internet activity with private contractors – hired either by corporations or law enforcement agencies – in the domestic surveillance business .
          Let alone the NSA. That would be classified information.

          -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

          by pat bunny on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:25:22 PM PDT

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          •  I believe (0+ / 0-)

            that there would need to be a court order for any action to be taken in regards to an individual's records.  Doesn't  it work the way a phone tap works? Isn't it fairly common for law enforcement to get court orders to examine phone call records and phone GPS information in criminal cases?

            As for private contractors, they are not only a security risk, but a huge rip off of taxpayer dollars.  But the Republicans will never agree to change their "private enterprise" initiatives regardless of the harm to the country or the economy.

            Be well, ~*-:¦:-jennybravo-:¦:-*~

            by jennybravo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:44:02 PM PDT

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        •  The US pays private companies BILLIONS (1+ / 0-)
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          to help run all these surveillance programs.

          These private companies have huge webs of financial interests.

          Is it so hard for you to understand how companies with billions at stake might work to protect themselves and their investors against "threats"?

          Like people who get too mouthy about single payer health care or carbon taxes or so on?

          And do you understand that when you are in a virtual legal netherworld, there are no real rules?

        •  Here's a "connection" you should think about. (1+ / 0-)
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          Earlier this year, a bill was introduced into the Pennsylvania legislature that would make it a felony to videotape farming operations in Pennsylvania – so-called “ag-gag” legislation that has already passed in Utah and Iowa, and has been introduced in several other legislatures. Many of the ag-gag bills draw on language crafted by the American Legislative Exchange Council’s (ALEC) “Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act.” (In recent years ALEC has received considerable support from the natural gas industry). Section D of the ALEC bill defines an animal or ecological terrorist organization in broad terms “as any association, organization, entity, coalition, or combination of two or more persons” who seek to “obstruct, impede or deter any person from participating” not only in agricultural activity but also mining, foresting, harvesting, and gathering or processing of natural resources.

          The glass looks one way. When you become a terrorist for speaking out you are open season for the Surveillance Industrial Complex.

          -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

          by pat bunny on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:37:47 PM PDT

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          •  Here's the link. (1+ / 0-)
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            -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

            by pat bunny on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:43:48 PM PDT

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          •  That's what gets me (1+ / 0-)
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            The corporations and Wall Street  have taken over this country. The middle class and the poor are getting poorer, but we keep letting ourselves get distracted from this true, horrible danger by allowing the Republicans to run the conversation. If you asked normal people if they are more concerned about the economy or the data mining, the vast majority would choose the economy.  My income has been cut by 20% due to the sequester furloughs. We won't be able to get by if this lasts much longer. And there a lot of people like us who are wondering why even the Democrats don't seem to care that much. They are busy chasing  so-called scandal after scandal and dancing to the Republicans tune to pay attention to the people who are really hurting

            We need Occupy Wall Street or a similar movement to refocus our attention on the power of big business.
            I am sick of this shit.,

            Be well, ~*-:¦:-jennybravo-:¦:-*~

            by jennybravo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 01:00:40 PM PDT

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