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  •  Do It (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, we should legitimize and normalize the programme. There is an important role for signals intelligence, including in the US. That role is vastly smaller and more subject to actual oversight than anything we're doing.

    But dismissing any effort to limit the spying as approving it is counterproductive. The way any in-progress programme is controlled is to start with some limits, which tend to legitimize and normalize it. We will never, say, jail a criminal spymaster. So this action deserves aggressive support. "Aggressive" as in "just getting started".

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 09:12:41 AM PDT

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    •  I think that it is already normalized (0+ / 0-)

      in the sense that you are talking about it.  That ship sailed in 2006.

      What is not yet normalized conceptually is a limitless and unchecked secret domestic spying.  That is where I believe they are going to go with any efforts to address the Snowden revelations in this Congress.

      The state secrets circle jerk is going to continue.

      Americans will get used to the occasional person being victimized as a result of abuses that they won't ever be privy to.  A contingent of people will become more radicalized and obsessed with threats they perceive the government to be to them personally, but they'll be either off the grid in some cabin or sorted out one way or another by the spying apparatus.

      At some point, it won't be clear and people really won't care whether things that happen to them in their lives are an act of god or an act of the secret spying apparatus.  They will go on with their daily lives and feel safe because that's what they want to do.

      On top of all of that, it is a growth industry.  More and more people will have to be employed to keep the expansions going as they will into the future.

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