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  •  Liquor privatization is a good thing... (2+ / 0-)
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    ....the LCB is a holdover from Prohibition and has failed to change with the times.

    Remember that hare-brained scheme to allow people to buy wine in grocery stores, but only if they were on a video link to the LCB, and blew into a Breathalyzer?

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 01:57:30 PM PDT

    •  I live in PA, and am a PSU Alum (0+ / 0-)

      and I don't know anybody who blames Sandusky, or the scandal on Corbett.  I think that is a Dem fantasy.  If I had to bet, I'd bet that Corbett survives, maybe just barely, but survives.

      This will be a base election, as any president's second midterm always is.  The Dem base in PA only comes out for presidential elections, which explains why, despite the fact that every Dem since Dukakis has won PA, we have a GOP House, Senate, one Senator, and Governor.  And, the only reason we have Casey, is because A)  a lot of people who voted for him probably thought he was his popular former governor dead dad, and B) 2006 was the killing fields for the GOP with Bush and the Iraq War.  Santorum wasn't the only Republican in PA to be linked to Bush and defeated that year.

      Penn State (the University) is trying to move beyond the scandal.  I suspect that sometime after next season, they will petition the NCAA to have the sanctions lessened or commuted.  

      And, any Dem trying to stir up Penn State fans over Corbett and Sandusky had better be REAL careful.  It could backfire, bigtime.  We are extremely sensitive and raw on that issue.  We as fans almost to a man, feel that we have been horribly victimized by the unfair sanctions.  We blame Sandusky, the NCAA (who is really just the former presidents and athletics people of our football competitors), and the media, for piling on.  In that order.  

      Joe Paterno is still considered an icon of what is good about college sports to most Penn State fans.  I guarantee you that not long after the sanctions are over, his statue will be re-erected somewhere in State College.  Corbett is not even on most people's list of who to blame.  Hell, at least he filed the lawsuit, even if it lacked merit to succeed.  Yeah, we all wish he'd have done something sooner, but that's how we feel about EVERYBODY involved.  I'm still perplexed that it took so many of the victims so long to come forward.

      If Corbett loses, it will be because some Dem runs a GREAT campaign, the economy continues to suck, Corbett's education funding cuts come home to roost, and the "Alabama in the middle" of PA doesn't get out and vote.  It won't be because of the Sandusky scandal.    

    •  Liquor privatization is a bad thing. The state (1+ / 0-)
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      store system works well and the limited, though still quite extensive, system has the grudging acceptance of many traditional (mostly Republican) constituencies, many conservative religious and ancestors of the strong "dry" component in Pa. And they are good union jobs, way better then minimum wage no benfit offerings that would result from privatization.

      "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

      by TofG on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:34:17 PM PDT

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      •  My dad owned a bar... (2+ / 0-)
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        mconvente, mattc129

        ....and had to suffer through the exorbitant prices of LCB stores and beer distributors with monopoly power.

        The liquor store system does NOT work, and when someone tries to make it work, they're hounded out.

        They're the masters of having wine shipped from Erie County to Pittsburgh, then back to Erie State Stores.

        9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

        by varro on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:41:10 PM PDT

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      •  I don't agree (2+ / 0-)
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        mattc129, varro

        We've disagreed on this before here, and I will do so again.

        I don't agree that the system is "extensive", and it sure isn't convenient.

        Prime example - my local beer distributor, which usually sells garbage beer for parties (I live near UPenn, so lots of college kids in my area), surprisingly had cases of Hell or High Watermelon, a great beer from 21st Amendment Brewery in SF.

        I wanted to buy one 6-pack and so I loaded that up, until I got to the cashier who said I had to buy a case of it (at $39).  But I didn't want a case.

        Well, even though I really like that beer, I didn't want a case, so guess what I did - I put it back and didn't buy it.

        I know that we are weary, with good reason, when conservatives tell use that privatization will increase sales.  But for this specific area (liquor privatization), I actually think we will see increased sales.  Not to mention ending the lunacy of not being able to buy beer/wine/liquor in the same location (and groceries as well).

        Not to mention that beer is 25% more expensive in Philly than in northern NJ (where I'm from)...

        It is done. Four More Years.

        by mconvente on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 06:24:59 AM PDT

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        •  Small changes (0+ / 0-)

          Why not simply allow beer distributors to also function as bottle shops and expand the hours in the state stores? Sales will still increase, but you won't be laying off thousands of state employees from middle class jobs that have good health care and a decent retirement.

          Under NO circumstance will I get behind or cheerlead an effort that ruins people's lives for the sake of being able to Wal-Mart something for my convenience.

          As is I can walk to a state store, two bottle shops, and a beer distributer in 10 minutes; the system is convenient enough already.

    •  It is a shit thing! (0+ / 0-)

      It failed already in Washington State and will fail in the same way here if the state allows it as proposed by the PA House.

      The same will happen in PA!

      I drink in bars often enough, often buy alcohol for my home, and spend a decade working in the security end of things in some large bars / clubs. The possible "freedom" associated with a change in alcohol sales in PA is not worth the destruction of thousands of middle class jobs.

      If one wants to improve things in the state for alcohol open up the state stores for more hours and allow every existing beer distributer to also sell by the bottle and six pack. That'll add convenience to the consumer without Wal-marting state employees into poverty wages.

      •  That's because it was poorly done... (0+ / 0-)

        ....to satisfy the liquor middlemen, who are the main opposition to privatization of liquor stores.

        9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

        by varro on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 01:14:32 PM PDT

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