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  •  It really is kabuki (2+ / 0-)
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    Corporate sponsors of both parties want this bill passed, not so much for citizenship right for those who deserve it, but to use the bill as a back-door effort to expand H1B visas,  and drive down the wages of IT and STEM professionals by flooding the already weak job market with cheaper labor.

    It's theater.  The paymasters of both parties want the bill passed, and it will get passed, for better and worse.

    "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 10:47:43 AM PDT

    •  If that is so (5+ / 0-)
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      Why did G W Bush immigration reform did not pass?

      The problem of deciding that everything has a hidden motives is that you end finding hidden motives in everything.

      •  Pre-Citizens United? Pre-Corporate-owned DNC? (0+ / 0-)

        Dems in Congress weren't feeling the pressure from party leadership to allow H1B visas to be exploited to drive down middle class wages for tech & STEM workers.   That was back when some of them actually voted in the best interests of their non-wealthy constituents.

        "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:17:24 AM PDT

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        •  Oh come on (0+ / 0-)

          Citizens United was ruled in 2010 not in 1934.
          I bet if I look at your posts here pre citizens united you were already saying corporations own the government, the DNC is sold out and so on.

          If the puzzle piece does not fit push stronger

          •  It's been a gradual transition (0+ / 0-)

            but I never thought I would see my party completely sell out to corporate donors.

            No, I've never been in favor of corporations buying leaders of my party.  But its happening, and became much worse when DNC was co-opted and people like Rahm Emanuel began cramming the donors agenda down the throats of Dem elected officials.

            Remember, that's why we successfully primaried so many of the Blue Dogs in 2010.  Its also the reason so many DLC/Third Way fools lost.

            Fuck over the voting public long enough and they'll throw your ass out of office, whether you're a D or an R.   ConservaDems need to get their asses out of the gutter and do something constructive for a change, more than just pimping themselves to corporate donors.  Geez, get some self-respect or go claim a job in industry.

            "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:13:23 PM PDT

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    •  They Are Creating A Brand New Guest Worker Program (1+ / 0-)
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      For lower skilled guest workers as well, called the 'W' visa.

      What's in the Business-Labor Deal on Immigration?

      There will be at most 20,000 W visas in the first year, 35,000 in the second year, 55,000 in the third, and 75,000 in the fourth.

      And by the fourth year there will be all kinds of 'carve outs' and exclusions to this cap just like there are on the H-1B so that even though the H-1B cap is 65,000, the number of H-1B petitions granted is almost six times this number.

      The paymasters of both parties want the bill passed, and it will get passed, for better and worse

      The good news being that the members of the cult of victimhood in both political parties will have something to blame each other for going forward.

      One of the things that galls me the most about this 'deal' is that Richard Trumka, who represents less than ten percent of the American workforce, gets to play the great 'representative of the American worker' in all of this and in doing so sold the American worker down the river.

      I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

      by superscalar on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 10:56:20 AM PDT

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    •  And all morning long I keep hearing and reading (1+ / 0-)
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      reports about how the government outsources data mining because they can't afford to match the salaries of the private sector.  What happens with lower paid temporary workers replace the people now working at those companies?  

      •  Taxpayer money laundering to campaign donations (0+ / 0-)

        They're likely paying far more to private contractors than it would cost to employ these people as government employees.

        Unfortunately, the Hatch Act forbids soliciting campaign contributions from government employees.  The solution is to contract everything out, then raise campaign money from the contractors and their workforce.  The GOP perfected this trick at the state level, then brought it to the federal level. DLC Dems have adopted it as well.

        "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:32:50 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      And I'm disheartened that so-called "Progressives" are not standing up for workers and standing against Corporate Greed.

      The Republicans need this bill much more than we do. We should demand a faster path to citizenship in return for:

      1) No more H1-B visas
      2) No strikebreaking, scabs-on-demand, "guest workers"

      And we should let them have their "strict" border control. Let them build The Wall if they want. Only build it now, so that the spending can help us out of the recession.

      •  IT and STEM workers (1+ / 0-)
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        are the only job fields where wages haven't been suppressed to Walmart levels. They're some of the few remaining middle class wage jobs left in the US economy, one of the few opportunities for college grads to make a living and pay off their student loans, barely.

        If the WH and Dem leadership really care about fair immigration laws, they'll strip these provisions out of the bill.  The fact they haven't means they're owned by their corporate donors.

        "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:20:21 AM PDT

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        •  I Don't Think You Understand (1+ / 0-)
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          The H-1B visa is practically speaking an invention of the Democratic Party.

          Gene Sperling, who is the Director of the National Economic Council in the Obama administration (ain't that a hoot), was the primary H-1B power broker in the Clinton administration.

          I'd be very surprised if Sperling is not involved in the current negotiations.

          I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

          by superscalar on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:30:55 AM PDT

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          •  Disgusting, destroying job opportunities (0+ / 0-)

            for personal profit.  

            When IT and STEM workers are earning near Walmart wages, what's the point in acquiring all that debt going to college?

            "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:59:27 AM PDT

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