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  •  I assume mine was at least created at the point (1+ / 0-)
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    grover

    in college when I was in ROTC. They've got to stick our fingerprints in a file somewhere.

    •  Yup. I had a job that required an FBI background (2+ / 0-)
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      Check, complete with fingerprints and drug tests. Plus I've been a reference for friends in the military and other government that have clearance -- since we graduated college -- which is decades ago.

       My approval came back so quickly, my boss was shocked. She said that new hires never get such quick approval. "They must be slow..." she wondered out loud.

      I just smiled.  I have no doubt that being a periodic recurring reference for people with top secret clearance means they keep a file on me too.

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      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:45:00 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, hmm. (2+ / 0-)
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        Good point.  I've had to do a couple of backgrounders during the nursing school as well, and had a friend who had everyone around him interviewed for his clearance for the national labs.  He is, though, far more conservative than I.

        So I've probably got at least a page or two, even if they never bothered to ding me for being in that subversive monarchy-advocating 'SCA'  group, or for being a Kossack.

        •  If nothing else, (4+ / 0-)

          I assume all us with professional licenses aren't JUST in state databases (or the Feds have instant access to those). I have no evidence for this assumption.

          I just watch NCIS.

          ;)

          In all seriousness, though, I voluntarily put myself into those databases. Even my thumbprint into the state's database to get my driver's license was somewhat voluntary. I didn't have to get a drivers license after all. I could take the bus, ride a bike and walk.

          That's why all this NSA stuff creeps me out. I didn't agree to all this surveillance. I'd probably agree to  phone records and obviously Facebook. But email? Doubtful.

          But they never asked, never advised us. That's what's crappy about it. We're supposed to be a democracy with a government that works FOR us. But we were never advised..  

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:35:17 PM PDT

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          •  Exactly - you expect a trade off for the privilege (4+ / 0-)
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            of licensure.  You're being held to standards, and violation of those standards can generate at the very least a lawsuit, and sometimes criminal charges.  So you expect to be given some measure of scrutiny.

            But I feel it is 'reasonable' to assume that the amount and kind of scrutiny given to any of us would be in direct proportion to the presence of some information that makes us suspects in a given crime.  Within the notion of 'presumed innocence' is the idea that the government will not simply go around examining people for crimes that otherwise they have no knowledge.

            (And yes, I know how naive and privileged that sounds, given that that is exactly what occurs every single day to minorities by programs such as 'stop and frisk'.  It just means I don't think those programs should exist either.)

            •  Yep to everything you said. (2+ / 0-)
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              Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN, DSPS owl

              And stop and frisk is unconstitutional surveillance too as is random racial and religious profiling at places like airports.

              All of these are outrageous.

              © grover


              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:04:57 PM PDT

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