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  •  There's just a simple question Google needs (1+ / 0-)
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    to answer.  Does the govt have access to the content of emails and searches and usages people make of and through google, whether the govt got your permission or not?

    If not, that is not what I understand from Snowden's statement.  

    He who would trade liberty for security deserves great customer service.

    by Publius2008 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:55:36 PM PDT

    •  Be careful with your wording... (2+ / 0-)
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      PsychoSavannah, helfenburg

      ... when you ask if the govt has access, the answer can technically be "No" if the company in question is giving access to a govt contractor instead.

      •  Otherwise, the way I read it, Google is trying (0+ / 0-)

        to deny that it has known what was going on.  That's quite an assertion.

        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:53:51 PM PDT

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    •  Answer: Info is released on case by case basis. (4+ / 0-)
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      philgross, Donner, Caipirinha, isaaccp

      First off, I don't work for Google or benefit financially from Google. Of course this means I only know what I read about the case.

      Google and the other firms that have commented have refuted the key claim, the key scoop in the article in the Guardian: There is no back door or unlimited government access.

      Of course, this doesn't mean that Google doesn't give the NSA exactly what they want when backed up by a (FISA) court order. Do they have any choice other than complying with the letter of US law?

      And now Google is asking the AG to give them a waiver that will allow Google to remove the veil of secrecy on the court orders they have complied with.

      Frankly, I don't know what more you could want from them!

    •  With a court order, the government has access... (0+ / 0-)

      With a legal court order, the government has access to any data that any company has, which includes everything you listed and more.

      The police will always want all data, because that helps them do their job.

      The balancing forces are the courts and the companies involved.

      The courts' job is to protect the rights of the people involved. So if the government says that it wants "all data about everything" the courts will point out that's unconstitutional, and require the government to ask for "specific data about a specific thing, with a good, documented reason for why they need exactly that data."

      The second balancing force is the company receiving the request for data. If they feel that the request is overly broad, they know that their customers are relying on them to protect their privacy, so they will push back on the request, and they have lawyers who will fight to defend the company's customers because that's in the company's best interests. So if they think the request is overly broad, they'll argue in court to narrow the request, etc.

      This isn't a new issue - courts have been doing this forever. The new thing is that technology makes it easier to execute overly-broad requests for data. But that doesn't change the legal situation, IMO. IANAL.

    •  Remember that it's not about Snowden's (0+ / 0-)

      statements.  Go to the Guardian and read the articles and listen to the interviews.  Snowden passed on NSA documents that describe the extent of its program.  It's not just about what "Snowden says."  

      The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

      by helfenburg on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:53:08 PM PDT

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    •  Q's for Google (0+ / 0-)
      Does the govt have access to the content of emails and searches and usages people make of and through google, whether the govt got your permission or not?
      Google cannot answer this question because they do not know the answer. The government accesses the data outside of Google facilities.

      +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

      by cybersaur on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:15:23 PM PDT

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