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  •  Facebook seems to have joined Google (2+ / 0-)
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    In asking for transparency for something they deny.
    http://newsroom.fb.com/...

    tatement from Facebook General Counsel Ted Ullyot:

    As Mark said last week, we strongly encourage all governments to be much more transparent about all programs aimed at keeping the public safe. In the past, we have questioned the value of releasing a transparency report that, because of exactly these types of government restrictions on disclosure, is necessarily incomplete and therefore potentially misleading to users. We would welcome the opportunity to provide a transparency report that allows us to share with those who use Facebook around the world a complete picture of the government requests we receive, and how we respond. We urge the United States government to help make that possible by allowing companies to include information about the size and scope of national security requests we receive, and look forward to publishing a report that includes that information.

    •  Their CEO is still using from what I saw (4+ / 0-)

      quotes that are very legalistic like "We don't work directly with the NSA or any other program in order to proactively give any user information to anyone"

      That's a lot of parsing and specific language that's obviously written by their lawyers and PR

    •  The FaceBook statement underscores my (0+ / 0-)

      point which is that without the trust they need to be able to engender with users, their brands and their financial models are at risk.

      It is important to remember that the government is effectively piggy-backing on these companies' businesses in order to do their spying.  The government's aim is to stop terrorists, etc. while the companies exist to make money.  These internet businesses attract customers because of their services or opportunities for social networks and if their ability to attract customers is compromised, there will be a problem for them.

      Meanwhile, the government really needs these enterprises to be attractive and to retain customers/traffic because whether or not they know it, the government is not going to ever be able to get people to join a government social networking enterprise or use a government sponsored search engine - right?  See where this goes?

      So, the government has to be careful not to kill the goose that laid the golden egg; and the goose has got its own agenda which is to profit off of that golden egg.  It is ironic that no one would nationalize banks when on some level if the government is not careful to keep these businesses in tact, they would have not only in effect nationalized the businesses, but also caused them harm potentially to the point so as to make them useless to the spying program.

      So, there's a lot here and not everyone's objectives are completely aligned - and big money is at stake.  It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

      •  Facebook (0+ / 0-)

        Facebook is already in decline. The PRISM revelations will only hasten that. No one can put that genie back in the bottle. The damage is done.

        +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

        by cybersaur on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:54:50 PM PDT

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        •  FaceBook is just one example of many. (0+ / 0-)

          Reread what I said and replace the name FaceBook with any and all of the social networking sites - this conflict of interest applies to all with respect to this government spy program.

          •  other sites (0+ / 0-)

            I don't disagree with you

            +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

            by cybersaur on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:43:10 PM PDT

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            •  The main point - and FB is still important (0+ / 0-)

              in the mix no matter how you feel about them given their worldwide membership - is that the inherent conflict between the aims of a business concern (making money) and the aims of a government (whatever it is that day) will come to a head in this particular situation unless both parties go to great pains to avoid that moment where they cannot avoid being at cross purposes.

              It is probably safe to say that one of the reasons that the spying apparatus is so angry with Snowden is that he has upset that delicate balance between the government symbiotically sucking off of the teat of these businesses' treasure trove of data mining versus ending up being parasites that kill these that lay these golden eggs.

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