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  •  People have these sorts of discussions in China (0+ / 0-)

    They are censored once they start talking about organizing or once they actually organize. You'll note that in the article you linked to. The US does have a history of targetting organizers, although now they've managed to do it without actually arresting people. But, again, you seem to be focussing primarily on free speech as being the important aspect of a police state. Why do the other amendments not have equal weight? Free speech doesn't mean much when it doesn't cange anything.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 01:52:44 PM PDT

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    •  where do they? (0+ / 0-)

      not on the internet that's for sure, in public places? Again not there

      No police state can stop all discussion but they can and do find almost all of them eventually.

      As to your comment about organizations, of course they are  investigated. You can be outraged by that if you want, I would argue that the government is doing it's due diligence to make sure said groups are not planning something violent.

      Has that always happened? No the reaction to the flower child/hippie movement was overblown and in some places certainly fascist to some extent. But you don't get to cherry pick here, thousands of organizations have been duely investigated over even the last 100 years and most of them are then left alone.

      And yes I concentrate on free speech because it's the easiest way to identify a police state but if you would like to talk about another amendment sure. Which one?  

      In the time that I have been given,
      I am what I am

      by duhban on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 08:36:47 PM PDT

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      •  maybe the 4th? (0+ / 0-)

        How about the eighth? Or the tenth.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 10:01:36 PM PDT

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